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VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

I apologize, yet again, for the lateness of this.  Again, a job fair, and then numerous applications has procurred my time.  But, I still got it done, and I did, if I don’t say so myself, a pretty good article.

The nations of the Periphery have long been proponents of vehicles.  They can be significantly cheaper and yet provide those nations with significant firepower.  It may seem that this week’s article is just going to be a repeat of the Podunk Militia article, but it isn’t.  Periphery nations have, they just don’t have a lot.  They have far more resources and probably a few more enemies (real or perceived).  Periphery nations are going to be able to have resources to devote to their vehicular forces.

So within this framework, we’re still covering a huge set of forces.  So let’s narrow things down.  We’re going to focus on the “Big 3,” meaning the Taurians, Canopians, and Marians.  They are the major ground players in the Periphery, the nations most likely to field large ground forces, and the only Periphery nations to manufacture their own vehicles, a fact we will look at in depth.  That’s why I’m doing the three of them, back to back to back.  And this week we’re starting with the Taurians.

Now then, we have our subjects  What do we know about the Taurians?  Well, they give us quite a vehicle lovers’ dream.  Every world has at least a battalion, many have a regiment, and a few even have multiple regiments.  But these aren’t any standard regiment.  These regiments are 50% bigger.  The reason is that a Taurian Armor Lance has six tanks arranged in three maniples of two.  The rest of the organization is the same, but a regiment of 162 tanks is a lot more firepower than one of 108.  They were also stated to have been receiving newer tech for longer than their mech counterparts.

As far as front-line forces go, the Taurians were equipped, at their peak on 1 January 3064, with thirty-eight companies of tanks, spread across nine different units.  Two of those units, the 1st and 2nd Taurian Lancers, have full 162 vehicle regiments integral to the unit.  The others vary in size, but the average is about a battalion of fifty-four vehicles.  So what we can take from the size of the Taurians?  They love their vehicles, that’s the key.  The Taurian Lancers are new units, and their inclusion of a regiment of vehicles as a core part of the unit from the inception of the unit tells us that they are recognizing their affinity for vehicles.

Now, as for their industrial might, the Taurians do have a good smattering of vehicles.  They’ve got numerous vehicle factories, as listed below.
Light SRM Carrier
Plainsman
Vedette
Heavy Tracked APC
Hunter Light Support Tank
Maultier Hover APC   
Tracked APC
Hunter Light Support Tank
Pinard
Pinard
Pinard
Sterope
Sterope
Sterope
Sterope
New Vandenberg
Pinard Protectorates Limited
Pinard Protectorates Limited
Vandenberg Mechanized Industries
Taurus Territorial Industries
Taurus Territorial Industries
Taurus Territorial Industries
Taurus Territorial Industries
Vandenberg Mechanized Industries

It’s a nice smattering of vehicles, but it betrays a few clues to the Taurian vehicular mindset.  Thsoe vehicles are all low end, lighter, vehicles.  The Vedette is their biggest.  Most of the others are infantry support units.  The question is why?  The Taurians have always feared a Davion invasion.  Wouldn’t it make sense to get bigger vehicles to blunt the invasion?  And where are the expensive vehicles I talked about?  Or the upgraded vehicles that they supposedly received?

The answer is simple: they’re already there.  The vehicles on the RATs from FM:Periphery (and they’re the same as in FM:U) are all old vehicles.  Number seven on the assault chart is the Schrek.  Number seven on the heavy chart, the Manticore.  These are old vehicles.  And yes, the faction vehicles (Light SRM Carrier in our case) do appear, but aside from them, there is very little from beyond 3026.

What those vehicles also tell us is the reason for the light, and very specialized, vehicles.  The Taurians, and other periphery powers have no trouble getting big general vehicles.  A Manticore or Ontos will survive a battle to change hands.  Smaller stuff won’t.  The Taurians almost certainly have their quota of big stuff, hence their production for the small stuff.

The proponderance of APCs and other units suited to supporting infantry also makes sense given the history of the Taurians.  They are fanatical.  Their citizens are the most likely in the CBT universe to rise up against an invader.  Hordes of people are good, but hordes of people armed with mech scale weaponry and trasnported by APCs are much better, and the Taurians have plenty of APCs to choose from.

So when building a Taurian force, what are the key points to keep in mind?

  • Lots of APCs of all types.
  • Heavy use of old 3026 stuff.
  • Limit newer equipment to Capellan stuff (the Zhukov
     and Po jump to mind) if you’re before 3067.  After that, you can bring in Davion stuff like the Musketeer.
  • Include at least one Light SRM Carrier.  It’s a Taurian product, use it.  It’s cheap too.

That’ll get you a basic Taurian force, but of all the non-Clan factions I think the Taurians most would be dependent on the player to create the feel for them.  The Taurians are fanatical in the defense of their homeland.  If you are playing a Taurian as a defender, you really should get in character a little bit, because it is a much more defining characteristic than any smattering of vehicles.  It is the essence of being a Taurian.
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

The other interesting thing is save for the Light SRM carrier the Bull's made vees are all faster units. A force of Hunters and Vedettes may lack firepower but they have the speed to get where they need to be.

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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

You forgot the Gladius.
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

To my untrained eye, it sounds a lot like the argument in Canada a while back on which was better, lots of light tanks or a few heavy tanks.
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

You forgot the Gladius.
The Gladius is not built in the Taurian Concordat.  It never has been.  That the Taurians had a fair number is noteworthy, but the number in Taurian service is very likely to have diminished a great deal by 3067, owing to great amounts of combat, and a non-existent replacement pool.
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

To my untrained eye, it sounds a lot like the argument in Canada a while back on which was better, lots of light tanks or a few heavy tanks.


Well this is not so much an argument as to what to use as what to build.

GWA's postulating that since heavy tanks are more durable the Bulls choose to buy these on the open market, needing fewer over time. They build their own light tanks which get scragged faster so they need a more steady and reliable supply.
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

What I was trying to get across was that there was argument about which were more economical and efficient to build.  Heavy tanks might be the "kings of the battlefield" in many ways in modern armour warfare, but the Canadian gov't (IIRC) was torn between having a fewer number of these big brutes, or a smaller number of the more mobile, easy to transport, and cheap vehicles.
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

but the Canadian gov't (IIRC) was torn between having a fewer number of these big brutes, or a smaller number of the more mobile, easy to transport, and cheap vehicles.
I don't believe the Taurians find themselves in anything close to the same situation.  The Taurians have always been big on the naval aspects of things.

Welshman's analysis of my opinion is indeed correct, for the most part.  I'm not so sure that the Taurians need fewer tanks, merely that they are more easily procured both from battlefield salvage, and the open market.  Smaller tanks are much harder to come buy on the open market (distance from factories, battlefield attrition, etc.), and given the Taurian preponderance of infantry, much more attuned to the needs of the TDF.
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What I was trying to get across was that there was argument about which were more economical and efficient to build.  Heavy tanks might be the "kings of the battlefield" in many ways in modern armour warfare, but the Canadian gov't (IIRC) was torn between having a fewer number of these big brutes, or a smaller number of the more mobile, easy to transport, and cheap vehicles.

Um, did our military *ever* have big brutish MBTs along the lines of the M1 series?  I think our top tank was the (German-built?) Leopard, certainly not in the same league as what the US--or even the UK!--fielded.

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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

You forgot to mention the J. Edgar built on Pinard from TRO: 3039

I'd build a unit with the following using native hover built stuff:
-One Maniple of J. Edgar for Fast Attacks/Harassment
-One Maniple of Maultier Hover APC for looting and bringing the PBI's along
-One Maniple of Plainsmen for Fast Attacks/Harassment

This isn't meant for line work, this is for Harassment and Insurgency work (Despite almost everything being ammo heavy).
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

You forgot to mention the J. Edgar built on Pinard from TRO: 3039
Don't have 3039 so I can't mention something I don't know. Wink  While the J. Edgar is a good vehicle, it certainly does nothing to reduce the singular importance of Pinard to the Taurians though.
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

Personally, I think you don't see heavy tanks in production in the Concordat because, in this case at least, the Taurians actually seem to know what they're doing from a strategic point of view and are building/buying vehicles which stand a better chance of providing an effective return on the investment.  Smiley

The Taurian strategic philosophy employs the 'Mech Corp as the primary shield of the nation against major invasion, hence the consolidation of BattleMechs into larger, reinforced battalions rather than spreading that force out with a larger number of standard size battalions.  For the past three hundred years though, the Tank Corp have been the actual workhorse defenders of the Taurian homeworlds.  Prior to the Urukhai attack in 3066, there was not so much as a single canon referrence to a major planetary assault being launched against a Taurian homeworld since the day Aleksandr Kerensky packed up the SLDF to go kick Amaris off of Terra. 

Most of what the TDF has faced in the past 3 centuries has been small objective raids, whether by House Regulars, pirates, or rogue mercenaries.  The basic reality of such raids is that if you can get away with achieving your objective without actually getting shot at, you just won a decisive victory.

Heavy tanks look really fantastic on a parade ground; they look really great on paper.  They perform reasonably well in a pick-up BattleTech game; but pick-up games rarely bother to account for how the tanks got to the map sheet to begin with.  Unless you know specifically what the raiders are after and can park your heavy tanks in front of it, chances are pretty good that your heavy tanks won't ever get the opportunity to fire a shot at the raiding 'Mechs. 

Fast-tracks like the Vedette and the Hunter have some chance of firing up their engines and deploying to the point of attack before the raiders have already come and gone.  Both are also armed with long-range weaponry.  The tanks the Taurians like best are hovertanks because a Plainsman or a J. Edgar can both outrun and outgun most typical raiding 'Mechs like the Locust and Stinger.

The other important thing, whether you're looking at defending against raiders or defending against a full scale invasion, is that the single most important catch-phrase for tanks in the BattleMech era is "force multiplier".  A Manticore Heavy Tank costs 2.64 million C-Bills; a Vedette Medium Tank only costs 725,000 C-Bills.  The Manticore is nearly 4 times as expensive and can also deliver roughly 4 times as much firepower per salvo as a Vedette; but it can only be in one place at any given time.  The Vedette is a superior force multiplier -- it puts more units in the field for the amount of investment.

So I'd argue it's less an issue of repair and replacement; more of an issue of the TDF intelligently identifying what sort of tanks are most likely to fulfill the mandate of the Defense Force.  Not saying they're necessarily right, but I do think it is a designed strategic philosophy.  Smiley
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

Makes sense to me.

Another thing about tanks, One can actually produce them in decent numbers during the Succession Wars, No?
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

The primary limiting factor in 3025 for a tanks like the Vedette and the Plainsman would have been its armor.  Even "standard" BattleTech armor is a fairly high grade composite.  The chassis, engine, drive train, etc. could be mass produced on most industrialized worlds just like tractors and civilian trucks.

The Hunter (and the J. Edgar too iirc) had a fusion engine so it'd be less a matter of how many tanks a factory can produce and more a question of how many reactors they can get in a given year.

The other limit factor is demand.  Every state, regardless of size, will buy every BattleMech that can possibly be manufactured in a given year -- the demand always outstrips the supply.  Tanks weren't in such high demand; none of the states showed a sense of desperation to build up their tank forces as was the perenial case with BattleMechs.  I'd say the Taurians probably has as many tanks as they felt they needed and were only buying/manufacturing them on an as-need basis.
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

Meh, I would have bought up every tank they could.
a Swarm of tanks in that era (Well, Decent tanks anyway) is enough to worry BattleMechs (And scare the 'Mechs often used in Raiding Missions).
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

You also missed the Rommel built on Perdition along with J.Edgars and Vedettes. (Objective Raids) The Rommel provides a good heavy Punch to the TDF and if they can upgrade to the Gause Rommel well that is a good tank period. The big question is how many do they produce in a year for the TDF and how they are deployed.

Um, did our military *ever* have big brutish MBTs along the lines of the M1 series?  I think our top tank was the (German-built?) Leopard, certainly not in the same league as what the US--or even the UK!--fielded.

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I would disagree with that statment. For Much of the Cold War we ran Centurions. The Centurion was the prime British MBT for a long time and untill the T-72 made its way out to most frount line units  this was comparable. When we did replace the Centurions it was with the LEO 1. A tank that compared well with the M-60s of the US ( and not to shabaly with the origonal M-1 ) Or big downfall was that during the 90's we stuck with the Leo 1 when others had moved on to the Leo 2 Challanger 2 M-1As and the Like. Today we are moving to Leo 2 that are again in the league of the British and Americans.
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

You also missed the Rommel built on Perdition...The big question is how many do they produce in a year for the TDF and how they are deployed.
That's odd, because TRO:3039 makes it abundantly clear that the Rommel is a brand-new Lyran tank.  For the Taurians to get a factory up and running between 3039 and 3054 is impressive.
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

The Rommel was a brand new tank in 3025.. Now I belive that some arrived with the HatchetMan with the defectors from Little Richards Panzer Brigade (pure speculation on my part) so thay had time. Not to mention it would be a priority  for the TDF
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Indeed. Quoted from TRO:3039

"Richard’s Panzer Brigade, like Hansen’s Roughriders, was granted access to the Rommel/Patton. Later, nearly a company of troops left the mercenary command when Richard “Big Daddy” Whitman died. Those troops ultimately wound up in the Taurian Concordat, where the appearance of their Lyran-built equipment on the other side of the Inner Sphere sparked wild rumors that the Concordat was building the new Hatchetman ’Mech as well as the Rommel tank."
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

The Rommel was seen in the TC, it is not produced by it.
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

Not in '39 . But I would not be surprised if they where by '54 along with the HatchetMan
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

I've always thought that the TC while not build an exact copyPatton/Rommel but be like the FRR and build Axel tanks, which are yet unstated that i know of ICE copies.

And it explains away an early CBT odditiy without major changes
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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

Axels would indee be interesting
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Axels would indee be interesting

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Re: VotW: Building a Taurian Unit

Yet instead it appears the current PB have instead taken away from the TC a decent defensive tank.  Where as to go to the ICE designs would have allowed them a cheap yet looked like same tank.

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The Taurians appear to love (at least as far as their front line units go) cavalry warfare.  The Lighter Hovertanks manouver enemies though hit and fade attacks to where they can be pounded by mechs and support units (LRM/SRM carriers, Artillery, mines, etc).  Most of the Taurian armoued units assigned to front line formations follow this with their naming scheme (cavalry, recon, etc).  The Taurian Lancers, however, use their tanks as more of a mainline combatant type unit, which means that they will probably have a higher number of heavy vehicles.

As to planetary forces, it mostly depends on WHERE you are.  If you are in the Hyades (except for Ishtar of course), you will see large brigade-level units with heavy tanks being prominent.  If you are along the boarder on important planets like Pinard or MacLeod's Land, you will probably see the same mix as the Hyades units, but fewer of them.  If you are on a colony world like Aea or Colchis, you'd expect to find lighter, cheaper units like the J.Edgar, Maultier, and Hunter supported by a smattering of Light, Heavy, and Regular LRM/SRM carriers as a type of light artillery.  These units would be designed more for supporting existing militia infantry units while the 'bigger' worlds would be more about dishing out the pain.
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