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Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

CYBORGS AND SPECTRALS - OMNIFIGHTERS OF THE MANEI DOMINI
A Study in Angular Malevolence

  I use that rather, erm, dramatic sub-title because if the Striga is any indication - though sadly, it's the *only* such indication I've obtained to date Sad - the Spectrals have a distinctive and very menacing design aesthetic in common, not only with each other but also with the MD's Celestial OmniMechs.  Even sitting still on the tarmac, Precentor Vapula's creations have the sort of sleek, evil lines that put you in mind of predatory animals - the Striga has the look of a hawk on its perch - and tell you that these war-machines take their design purpose seriously.  If these machines had voices but only one thing to say, they'd growl "I'm here to rip your lungs out, Frail!"
  Though the fluff to all three Spectrals to date says that this 'lean and hungry look' is a mere by-product of Precentor Vapula's "unique approach to high-powered vector-thrust design", I don't think the MD are complaining about it in-universe, and out-of-universe I don't doubt that this is quite a conscious and deliberate choice.  In-character, the Blakers are looking to remind the Inner Sphere that they are NOT HAPPY about the dissolution of the Star League, and putting the hyper-elite Manei Domini Shadow Divisions and their unmistakeable Omnis front-and-centre in their efforts keeps that fact fixed firmly in the minds of their enemies.  The Shadow Divisions and their cybernetically enhanced personnel have garnered a fierce reputation by now, which plays into a second aspect of that appearance: intimidation and psy-war.  Like the Atlas centuries before, the Celestials and Spectrals are built to scare the piss out of whoever they're pointed at; as the Blessed Blake (Dead) says, breaking an enemy's will to fight defeats him almost as surely as an HPPC, and moreover it saves you ammo and repair costs that can be used more fruitfully elsewhere.  Out-of-universe, TPTB have been very careful to create a distinctive look for the Manei Domini and their hardware, partly as a marketing ploy and mostly as a story-telling hook; as Maelwys' recent, superb article points out, the Manei Domini seem to be not so much part of the Word of Blake as allies to the WoB.  (The exact nature of the relationship remains obscure, though apparently it does tend towards the... complicated.  Lips Sealed)

  You'll have to forgive me for being fairly short on details and long on waffle in this discussion, since I'm both lacking the actual sources and trying to save the real 'meat' analysing the individual fighters until their respective articles.  Sad  Nonetheless, on we go.
  To date, we've seen only three Spectral-range OmniFighters: first the heavy-class, heavy-hitting Striga, then the fleet middle-weight Rusulka, and most recently the deceptively light Shade.
  All three use a design feature new to aerospace fighters, the small cockpit; while mechanically I'm a little ambivalent about this measure, since it saves each bird only one ton of internal ordnance space and inflicts not-insignificant operational constraints on the types, MD training and combat cyberware mostly offsets those constraints, and the use of this new equipment lends yet one more touch of RP 'flavour' to these combat platforms.  They share other hardware that is more familiar in nature, but unlike other IS designers, Precentor Vapula has had the time, money, resources and freedom to use them in a systematic and comprehensive fashion: XL fusion powerplants lend the Spectrals formidable warload mass-fractions, double heat-sinks give them the dissipation capacity to make good use of that cubage, and liberal use of ferro-aluminium armour makes these fighters startlingly survivable.  (Remember how we all looked at the Lancer and the Shiva and wondered aloud about the apparent 'shortage' of ferro-aluminium armour in the Free Worlds League during their design & development?  I think we just found out where it all went.  Cheesy)
  Many of their configurations make liberal use of systems blatantly stolen from the Inner Sphere powers, giving them capabilities and throw-weights that range from the quixotic to the near-obscene, and like their new design systems, they also have free access to new weapons apparently developed uniquely by the Blaker factions.  (While the Thunderbolt missile-systems may have been swiped from the Solaris stables that developed them, I can find no such precedent for the variable-rate pulse-laser, and it suddenly occurs to me to wonder if the VSPL was developed by the Word of Blake... or the Manei Domini.  After all, with three hundred years to fiddle with tech-bits on the Hidden Five, they would've had more than ample time to come up with some new wrinkles....)

  You'll recall that I defined the 'ideal', 'complete' overall fighter force back in the "Generic Fighters" Overview column; for those of you who don't want to take a side-trip just now Tongue, the bare acceptable minimum for any force is one (or more) interceptors, a dogfighter and an attack bird - the other roles are the 'nice-to-have' spaceframes which act as force-multipliers.

FORCE ASSESSMENT: MANEI DOMINI OMNIFIGHTERS AS OF TRO3075

S-HA-O Shade - FAST LIGHT OMNIFIGHTER
MASS     MOVEMENT/SI/FUEL      ARMOUR PROFILE    H.SINKS
  35           9/14/ 9/ 5           40/ 28/ 20          10(D)
ARMAMENT: 15.5t pod-space


S-RSL-O Rusulka - FAST OMNIFIGHTER
MASS     MOVEMENT/SI/FUEL      ARMOUR PROFILE    H.SINKS
  65           7/11/ 7/ 5           70/ 50/ 45          11(D)
ARMAMENT: 33t pod-space


S-STR-O Striga - HEAVY OMNIFIGHTER
MASS     MOVEMENT/SI/FUEL      ARMOUR PROFILE    H.SINKS
  85           6/ 9/ 8/ 5          100/ 76/ 70          13(D)
ARMAMENT: 43.5t pod-space


  In looking at this line-up, I don't see a fighter force that is 'complete' as a standalone entity.  However, this is only because it lacks a 'true' interceptor; the Shade is certainly fast and fearsome enough to fake it in the role, but in the end is simply too slow to qualify.  On the other hand, through the wonders of freely-employed technology like XLFEs, FAA and omni-mounts, the Striga is fleet enough and well-armed enough to be a multi-role dogfighter *and* an attack-bird - compensating in spades for the mediocrity that is the Shiva; this suggests that if he was involved with that project, Precentor Vapula was only phoning it in on the Leaguers' behalf - and the Rusulka is arguably more of the same, though it has speed enough not only to be a 'dogfighter' and workhorse medium fighter, but to propel it into the 'fast dogfighter' bracket.
  Here's the thing, though: the lack of an 'interceptor' MD OmniFighter is not a handicap, because not only are the Spectrals not a complete fighter force in their own right, at this stage they're not MEANT as one.
  Leave aside the fact that the Spectrals have all been fielded *during* the Jihad, implying that their genesis was hasty and/or a work-in-progress (ISTR that we've seen *six* Celestial OmniMechs and *six* Demon battle-armours to date; more Spectrals are more than likely to be forthcoming, to 'complete the set', as time progresses in-universe).  From what Maelwys said some weeks ago, the WoB and/or Manei Domini have so thoroughly penetrated the Sphere's security and manufacturing apparatus that when a Shadow Division's player puts together a force, they're free to do so with *any* hardware manufactured in the Division's theatre of operations.  Coupled with their elite-grade training, their cybernetic augmentations, and their bleeding-edge war-machines, this fact would suggest that Spectral units are used to 'fill in the blanks' in the Division's fighter arm and provide capabilities that their pilfered systems can't deliver.  Considering that each realm produces (or is trying to produce) a 'complete' fighter force on its own, this means the Spectrals can drop into the 'nice to have' roles and flesh out the Blakers' OOB - or simply 'acquire' some of the local interceptors to provide the only capability they lack and cheerfully get to wreaking havoc in the name of Blake.
  - Does this particular Shadow Division originate in the (former) FWL, which produces an able interceptor in the Cheetah but is seriously hurting for equivalents to the Eisensturm and Daggerchanman is seriously trying to hang the Striga with a tag like 'Eisensturmski' - though personally, I think 'Blakensturm' might be a little more faction-appropriate and euphonious Tongue - and the Rusulka seems to have been designed specifically to offset the Davions' new toy, as well as most other medium-weight dogfighters.
  - Shadow Division starting out in the Lyran Alliance?  If you're feeling hard-up for interceptors, half-inch a few dozen SYD-Z4 Seydlitz and get to work.  Given the lack of canon XL-updates for the Lyran Stingrays, S-RSL-Os should eat them for breakfast, and though the Eisensturm is trying to become the one-size-smashes-all 'sledgehammer' to all the LAAF's aerospace 'walnuts', teams of 7/11 Rusulkas and 6/9 Strigas - especially in the hands of chromed-out MD pilots - will still make their lives very, very un-fun.
  I could go on for each House in turn, but you get the idea.  Cheesy
  This quite aside, I should imagine that the Spectrals also have two other roles within the Blaker order of battle.  The first would be as mobile fire-brigades: if their 'conventional' WoB forces were becoming bogged down or even driven backwards, Manei Domini squadrons can drive into the middle of the crisis and turn it around in a matter of moments.  As elite pilots in bleeding-edge weapons, their other tactical role is almost self-suggesting, if only the flip-side of that just described: mobile shock formations, breaking open enemy defences or exploiting breaches forced by their 'normal' Blaker fellows, hitting and flattening the heavily-protected targets that no lesser pilots would even *think* of assaulting.  If you think of them as 'special-operations squadrons', like the original 617 Squadron, you're pretty close to the mark.

  Just as a closing note: throughout this article my hind-brain has persisted in trying to render Precentor Vapula's name as "Precentor Vulpa".  Anyone who can place this name and identify why it may be just a little *too* appropriate for comfort may award themselves ten bonus geek-points.  Grin



COMING UP:
   S-RSL-O Rusulka
   S-HA-O Shade
   S-STR-O Striga
   TRO3075 - the "Royal" starfighter variants
   By Your Command: an Examination of the Star League's 'Robot Fighters' (ISP2 spoilers)
   Khar'toon Kapers: BSE-X2 Banshee
   TFN-** Typhoon ('75 Update)
   F-77 Deathstalker ('75 Update)
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

You also have to keep in mind that they have access to all of the WoB's stuff as well, though I'm guessing the Spectrals are going to be the popular choice.

We also know now where all the Light Gauss Rifles missing from the Celestials went Smiley

What I find interesting is there aren't really any missile support units. There are a few with missiles, the closest "Support" unit being perhaps the Rusalka Dominus with its twin MML9's, but there isn't say, a Striga packing 4 LRM15's with a HPPC as backup. Like the Celestials it really breaks the mold from what we've seen of earlier omnis where the A variant does this, the B variant does this, the C variant is this, the D is this..the E is almost always ATMs, the H Heavy lasers, etc. The Celetials and Spectrals seem to have their own definitions of what each variant should be (as well as their own names of course).
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

If you are in the FedSuns op area, you DO have access to Stukas....

And if the Draconis elements have access to Clan Nova Cat omnifighters or Ghost Bear Dominion omnifighters....... oh, frak.
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

The exact rules, btw, are that you *may* roll 1d6-1 for each Level II. That's the number of units you roll from the A or B tables of the occupied realm. So you could be seeing up to 1/3 of a MD Division using non-FWL/WoB technology.
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals


Yet another superb write up, Trace.  Afro
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

So what should we be looking for with the remaining 3?

a 20-25 ton fast mover?
A 50 ton replacement for the Hellcat and Tomahawk?
A 100 ton "Why yes, I did start the engagement by launching two Alamos at your Warship, why do you ask?"
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

I would like to see a 3/5, 100 tonner, small cockpit, LFE, Omni just for the shear idiocy of it.

It would have enough weapons to make a gundam shed a tear of joy.
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

I would think a 5/8, 100 tons, Small Cockpit, XL engine, FA armor and of course Omni - a opposite number to the Kirgiz.
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

  Just as a closing note: throughout this article my hind-brain has persisted in trying to render Precentor Vapula's name as "Precentor Vulpa".  Anyone who can place this name and identify why it may be just a little *too* appropriate for comfort may award themselves ten bonus geek-points.  Grin

You talking about the old Cylon commander by the name of Vulpa from the original series?


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S-RSL-Y?

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   By Your Command: an Examination of the Star League's 'Robot Fighters' (ISP2 spoilers)

Gah!  You're taking too long!  Keep it up, and I'm gonna steal your thunder on the AI part, and just leave you with the fighters themselves to talk about. Wink
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals


Gah!  You're taking too long!  Keep it up, and I'm gonna steal your thunder on the AI part, and just leave you with the fighters themselves to talk about. Wink

You mean the part where the AI fighter neuronet is actually the brains behind the Master and the Manei Domini?  Cheesy
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

You mean the part where the AI fighter neuronet is actually the brains behind the Master and the Manei Domini?  Cheesy

That wasn't quite the part I was thinking of, no...
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Any reference to AI controlled fighters would end up with at least one "By your command," or "EXTERMINATE!" reference.

If it didn't I'll be sadly disappointed with you all.  Police Whap
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Quote from: Trace_Coburn
Just as a closing note: throughout this article my hind-brain has persisted in trying to render Precentor Vapula's name as "Precentor Vulpa".  Anyone who can place this name and identify why it may be just a little *too* appropriate for comfort may award themselves ten bonus geek-points.  Cheesy
You talking about the old Cylon commander by the name of Vulpa from the original series?
  Rock On
  For the less-geeky amongst us (rare though they may be Tongue), "Vulpa" was the name of the Gold Centurion who commanded the gun-battery on Ice Planet Zero in the original Battlestar Galactica.  (According to the novelisation, anyway.  Ironically, he got the job as an 'exile' detail for suggesting letting the surviving Colonials GOShocked)
  (Geek2: the oBSG comics of a "couple" of years ago also had a "Vulpa Six" who drove a customised Raider - souped-up, gunned-up, and distinctly mean-looking.  Coincidence?  Happenstance?  Lips Sealed)

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S-RSL-Y?
  YA RLY!  kthnxbye  Grin

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By Your Command: an Examination of the Star League's 'Robot Fighters' (ISP2 spoilers)
Gah!  You're taking too long!  Keep it up, and I'm gonna steal your thunder on the AI part, and just leave you with the fighters themselves to talk about. Wink
  ... y'know what?  You talked me into it.  The quick summary I just gave the MD Omnis should hold them for another week: the AI fighters just moved to the top of the list.  Given that I can go into specifics this time, it should make for a slightly more meaty article than this one.  Grin

@ Nerd:
  ... you DID read the proposed article's title, right?  Tongue
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Nooooo!

This shout of denial has been brought to you by the letter D, and the Nile River.

Ah well, will give me a chance to figure out what exactly the VSPs mean for aerospace fighters.
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Do the Spectrals' vectored thrust abilities factor into aerospace gameplay in any way?  Or just more fluff that doesn't affect the game?

cheers,

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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Do the Spectrals' vectored thrust abilities factor into aerospace gameplay in any way?  Or just more fluff that doesn't affect the game?

At this time, fluff only.

- Herb
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

At this time, fluff only.

- Herb

Can they transform into mecha or fire massive wave-motion cannons?

Cause they look like they can.

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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Can they transform into mecha or fire massive wave-motion cannons?

Cause they look like they can.

Doesn't it? Actually, not mecha. They actually more or less "collapse" to produce a smaller profile. ATM, that's fluff only, though.

- Herb
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Doesn't it? Actually, not mecha. They actually more or less "collapse" to produce a smaller profile. ATM, that's fluff only, though.

- Herb

I thought five Spectrals combined together to form Nuketron, Defender of the Protectorate!
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

I thought five Spectrals combined together to form Nuketron, Defender of the Protectorate!

What kind of kiddie cartoon do you think we're playing here?  Gestalts suck! Dead

- Herb
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Something with that many fins needs a gundam-style beem cannon though.


 ...and be piloted by an emo 14 year-old.
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Seeing as how this is all one big tantrum . . . Roll Eyes
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Something with that many fins needs a gundam-style beem cannon though.


 ...and be piloted by an emo 14 year-old.

No.  Dead

- Herb
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Seeing as how this is all one big tantrum . . . Roll Eyes

If you're just gonna oversimplify, we'll never get anywhere.  Tongue

- Herb
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

I thought five Spectrals combined together to form Nuketron, Defender of the Protectorate!

Well, heavy omnifighters *do* have enough podspace to podmount a light fighter or two...
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Meanwhile, I figured I might as well talk about the fighters for a moment. :p

I actually like how the Spectrals look - the design aesthetic between the Spectrals, Celestials and Demons work.  The Spectrals *look* impressive.

Now, don't get me wrong: they're absolutely craptacular when viewed from the standpoint of hypersonic aeronautics.  That said, damn near every aerospace fighter in Bttletech is guilty of that (the notable exception in my head being the Slayer, which I wish to hell was a Star League bird, so I could use 'em in SLDF, C*/Explorer Corps and Niops formations).

What's it say about the Manei Domini, though, that they could get these bastards to function at hypersonic speeds?  To me, it enhances their bad-assedness.
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Something with that many fins needs a gundam-style beem cannon though.


 ...and be piloted by an emo 14 year-old.

Why am I having 'Gunslinger Girls' flashbacks?  Roll Eyes
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Meanwhile, I figured I might as well talk about the fighters for a moment. :p

I actually like how the Spectrals look - the design aesthetic between the Spectrals, Celestials and Demons work.  The Spectrals *look* impressive.

Now, don't get me wrong: they're absolutely craptacular when viewed from the standpoint of hypersonic aeronautics.  That said, damn near every aerospace fighter in Bttletech is guilty of that (the notable exception in my head being the Slayer, which I wish to hell was a Star League bird, so I could use 'em in SLDF, C*/Explorer Corps and Niops formations).

What's it say about the Manei Domini, though, that they could get these bastards to function at hypersonic speeds?  To me, it enhances their bad-assedness.

Things that are excellent wrt hypersonic aerodynamics don't do so hot in subsonic ACM either.  In fact, without some pretty spectacular variable geometry on the bird and incredibly high strength materials, I'm not sure you can get an airframe to do both.

Then and again, I'd love to see a lifting body pull of a Cobra or Kulbit (360 degree somersault - the plane pitches up past 90 degrees AoA and pulls through swapping ends with minimal altitude change)
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

No.  Dead

- Herb

Haha, that still doesnt discount a slow 100 tonner loaded to the gills with podspace. Something that would make SDF-1 cringe in a firefight.  Evil


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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Just for reference:  Su-37 airshow manuevers  Don't have anything in your mouth when you watch that in order to avoid accidental spilling caused by jaw dropping.

Just the Kulbit

The Kulbit is the second manuever shown, starting at 0:55 to about 1:20.  Yes, that Flanker is doing backflips, multiple backflips in the vertical in the second part.
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Just for reference:  Su-37 airshow manuevers  Don't have anything in your mouth when you watch that in order to avoid accidental spilling caused by jaw dropping.

Just the Kulbit

The Kulbit is the second manuever shown, starting at 0:55 to about 1:20.  Yes, that Flanker is doing backflips, multiple backflips in the vertical in the second part.

Cool tricks but I got distracted by the Berkut in the linked movies. Thats one sexy beast.
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Re: Fighter of the Week: Cyborgs and Spectrals

Just for reference:  Su-37 airshow manuevers  Don't have anything in your mouth when you watch that in order to avoid accidental spilling caused by jaw dropping.

Just the Kulbit

The Kulbit is the second manuever shown, starting at 0:55 to about 1:20.  Yes, that Flanker is doing backflips, multiple backflips in the vertical in the second part.

Yup.  Seen videos of the F-22 doing the same (incuding the Kulbit).  The current generation of fighters is kinda scary.
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