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As the title says.
The general Inner Sphere populace has no idea why the Bears are so angry. They speculate it may be the death of their Khan, or the poisoning of Radstadt.
Us on the outside have Uncle Chandy's files and the knowledge that the extra secret rumors section that was not shown to everyone was probably shown to the Bears.
So what does Word of Blake at its different levels know, think or suspect?
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Lieutenant Colonel
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I can't see Kernoff, St. Jamais, Apollyon and the Master not knowing what Uncle Chandy's report said.
The Ascended MD probably know.
Depending on if its true or not, the Jardinian MD probably know, as well as perhaps most of the rank and file MD.
I would expect the rank and file WoBM to have no clue, unless the WoB uses it as a propaganda tool for themselves. "Look, they think you're something of the Wolverines. We know you're not, you know you're not. Lets prove who the true heirs to the Star League are...lets show those genetic freaks what we do to deserters. We're the descendants of the Terran Hegemony planets, brutalized because their creators fled, lets show them the error of their ways!"
After all, that section could easily be considered Inner Sphere propaganda, and its not something you want to show to your rank and file, unless you have a way to counter it and make it work for you.
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Lieutenant Colonel
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I don't even know if there is any reason for even most MD to know. After all they have all be told the Clans are crazy nut jobs. This could be considered par for the course.
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Lieutenant Colonel
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It would depend on what their final origins wind up being. If they do have Wolverine origins and know it, they might be told.
But yeah. Other than that there's really no reason to let them know.
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Lieutenant Colonel
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Word of Canada
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constrictive underwear.
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Captain
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A little of this and a little of that.
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constrictive underwear.
That and let's not forget that The Word stood up their sister for prom all those years ago as well. |
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Corporal
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ok will someone let me in on this? why are teh bears angry?
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Major
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IIRC, They uncovered some proof that WoB was working with the Wolverines.
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If I read it correctly, it was alluded that when the Wolverines fled the Kerensky cluster and worked their way back to the Inner Sphere, they were met by ComStar who figured out who they were and sequestered them in the Rim Republic Worlds, eventually moving them to the 5 hidden worlds. After which some their descendants became MD or something of that nature and the Bears (who check genetic backgrounds on all killed or captured Sphereoids) got wind that the Wolverines were still alive.
Given the affront they pulled back in the early Clan days, the Bears went berserk on any and all WoB units they could find from that point on.
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Major
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It will be interesting to see if the Bears will find some proves among the samples they have taken from Wobbie bodies.
If not, will they feel be cheated by Stone and consorts? What then?
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Captain
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Heck they blasted the McKenna over Tukayyid which was the Wolverine flagship in their run to the IS. That's all the proof the GB's need...
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Major
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Heck they blasted the McKenna over Tukayyid which was the Wolverine flagship in their run to the IS. That's all the proof the GB's need...
Where is that quoted from? I ask because there were at least 11 scuttled McKennas left behind when Kerensky left, how do we know this is the Wolverine Flagship v/s something WoB fixed up later ? |
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Warrant Officer
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Have talons, will travel.
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If I read it correctly, it was alluded that when the Wolverines fled the Kerensky cluster and worked their way back to the Inner Sphere, they were met by ComStar who figured out who they were and sequestered them in the Rim Republic Worlds, eventually moving them to the 5 hidden worlds.
Correction -- the Blake Documents tells us that the Wolverines were sequestered at Koryo on Mars until being moved to the Five (pgs. 126-128.) Where is that quoted from?
I ask because there were at least 11 scuttled McKennas left behind when Kerensky left, how do we know this is the Wolverine Flagship v/s something WoB fixed up later ? The Blake Documents, pg. 117. Of course, all of these responses require you to accept things contained in the Blake Documents as true, but then, so does this thread.  |
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Captain
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Let's face it, it's not that WoB really made such great use of the only McKenna it had. They just parked it over Tukayyid for a couple of years and blasted at anything that moved on the surface....
The GB are also taking genetic samples of fallen WoB warriors. I'm not sure that they are focusing on MD only or if they take samples from all wobbies.
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Not only did they just park it there, but they blew out the KF Drive with a Superjump, IIRC
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Captain
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oh they got super jumped all right  However, that would explain why they stood their ground instead of fleeing. |
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Lieutenant Colonel
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The GB are also taking genetic samples of fallen WoB warriors. I'm not sure that they are focusing on MD only or if they take samples from all wobbies.
Well thats the point isn't it? Check them all to find the ones they want. |
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Captain
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Well thats the point isn't it? Check them all to find the ones they want.
Something tells me that they are after MD's specifically. Maybe it had something to do with an MD division somehow sneaking in Rastadt unnoticed... |
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I wonder if the whole Wolverine thing isn't Parrdeau's "Holy Shroud."
IIRC, in her ramblings she mentions that all Precentor ROMs have their own Operation Holy Shroud, each one does something different. What if all the notes, all the rumors are her Holy Shroud, designed to tick off the Clans in such a way that they can't help but invade with more, heading through the Invader Clans, as well as the LC and DC in massive battes that would shatter the Inner Sphere?
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Warrant Officer
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Have talons, will travel.
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Well, it would be pretty ill-executed, since we know that isn't what eventually winds up happening. Unless, of course, you are of the opinion that Devlin Stone is actually a Wobblie in disguise.
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Lieutenant Colonel
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Well, I assume it didn't take into account the Jihad.
Imagine though. We know that the WoB's goal was to kill the Clans. If the Star League hadn't of been destroyed by the Steiner-Davions and Liao, the WoB was to eventually steer the SLDF into wiping out the Clans.
Leaking/creating info like this would've been a good way to either rile up the Clans already around "See, look, they're attacking us like mad animals!" or to force more Clans to come into the Inner Sphere. "See, look, told you we can't trust them! Now do you want to destroy them?"
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Captain
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The GB are also taking genetic samples of fallen WoB warriors. I'm not sure that they are focusing on MD only or if they take samples from all wobbies.
I thought the MD had some kind of dead man's self-destruct device built into them so that when they're dead they blow up/melt/catch fire. |
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Lieutenant Colonel
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Something tells me that they are after MD's specifically. Maybe it had something to do with an MD division somehow sneaking in Rastadt unnoticed...
You don't need genetic samples to identify a MD. A strong magnet seems to be enough. |
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Captain
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You don't need genetic samples to identify a MD. A strong magnet seems to be enough.
Yeah but with all the wreckage that the Bears are leaving behind, they would have a tough time finding the MDs. What is interesting is the way that the GB attack. They practically take on the WoB's largest concentrations and destroy them in detail. Unlike all the other factions, which seem to leave some Wobbies breathing, the GB just barge in and wipe out any resistence. In practice they are winning the war single-handedly... |
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Lieutenant
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"Sicilian", or Extirpation
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(subscribing to this thread about WoB and Manei Domini)
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Captain
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Preparing the next generation...
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I think a question we must ask is: How would we feel it it were revealed that Wob = Wolverines
After all, the Jihad has already revealed the fate of the Invincible, will they really bust another of the few remaining 'big mysteries'?
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Warrant Officer
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If the conspiracy theory is true, and there's still room in fluff for it not to be, it seems to me that the Wolverines would be just one aspect of the Word. The Master, St Jamais, and general old-school WoB individuals who thought the sun shone out of Waterly's backside - these would also make up the filling of the pie. Also, the Wolverines may not be synonymous with the MD - we have suggestions there was an internal dispute on Jardine between Apollyon and an unknown opponent, so perhaps not all the Blood are on the same page.
To answer the question though, I wouldn't have a problem with a big secret like that being brought into the open. TPTB can always cook up new mysteries.
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Major
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Yeah but with all the wreckage that the Bears are leaving behind, they would have a tough time finding the MDs. What is interesting is the way that the GB attack. They practically take on the WoB's largest concentrations and destroy them in detail. Unlike all the other factions, which seem to leave some Wobbies breathing, the GB just barge in and wipe out any resistence. In practice they are winning the war single-handedly... Thats how the Clans usually fight... |
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Lieutenant Colonel
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No, its not and that is the scary part.
Certain Clans take on an enemies largest concentration and destroy them in detail, but thats where the similarities stop. They don't try and kill everyone. They try to have some semblance of honour.
The Bears always went in hard and violent after probing for weaknesses. This is different. This is Clantech as played by a munchkin with a blood lust. This is violence to make a Jaguar pale, aimed to cause fatalities and still probably very carefully targeted. The Bears always knew about overwhelming firepower but now they are applying it fully and are probably getting very good at it. How long till they learn of Total Warfare?
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Captain
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No, its not and that is the scary part.
Certain Clans take on an enemies largest concentration and destroy them in detail, but thats where the similarities stop. They don't try and kill everyone. They try to have some semblance of honour.
The Bears always went in hard and violent after probing for weaknesses. This is different. This is Clantech as played by a munchkin with a blood lust. This is violence to make a Jaguar pale, aimed to cause fatalities and still probably very carefully targeted. The Bears always knew about overwhelming firepower but now they are applying it fully and are probably getting very good at it. How long till they learn of Total Warfare?
So long as its not pointed at me...(shudders at the thought of a competant clan engaged in Total Warfare) |
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Captain
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We can keep the pdf away from them indefinitly, but how long until they find a hard copy at their FLGS?  |
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Warrant Officer
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I was thinking they could have found out from the wreck of the Blake's Sword around Tukayyid, allegedly the renamed SLS Zughoffer Weir which was a warship in the Wolverine touman. I think the Bears would be naturally interested in tracing a McKenna-class warship that was in IS hands, and if they found out it's origins, that would set the alarm bells ringing.
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