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Sergeant
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Fighting aliens and/or robots in the Periphery

Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

Your hyperlinks in your post need to be corrected.  Above are links that work.

I copy and paste directly from spacebattles forums, links are one of the things that suffer as a result I'm afraid.

Actually the easiest place to read Hunted Tribes is on Twisting the Hellmouth fanfic site (where the links again do work) although you get to read it sooner here as I only put up whole chapters there not the segments.

http://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-20043/Hotpoint+Hunted+Tribes.htm
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Private
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

IIRC, TRO-2750 had one, while TRO-3057 has the one above. As far as I can tell, both are considered canon.
IIRC in canon TRO-2750 was labeled as C* fake and later redesigns as canon. Not sure though...
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Colonel
Posts: 13901
Comstar Explorer Service - Lost in Spaaaace!!!!

Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

IIRC in canon TRO-2750 was labeled as C* fake and later redesigns as canon. Not sure though...

Nope.  Both sets of art are considered canon, and the Lola was used as one of the standards for this:  for all ships with two sets of art, the 2750 art was ruled to be their configuration early in their construction period, and the 3057 art later "Blocks" of the ships.  In fact, minis for both are available for purchase.
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Lieutenant
Posts: 1044

Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

I wish we could get some decent visuals of the 2750 Designs...

I mean they MAKE MORE SENSE.
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Captain
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

congrates on almost 6k views
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Sergeant
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Fighting aliens and/or robots in the Periphery

Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

Chapter Thirteen - Part II

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SLS Yukon – Deep Space – 3045CE

Massing less than a third as much as the Zughoffer Weir the upgraded Riga Class Destroyer Yukon didn’t mount anywhere near as much in the way of firepower and most of its battery was forward facing so whilst the battleships presented broadsides to the enemy Yukon had been turning to point its nose at the closest Basestar whilst launching her fighters and dropships.

A hybrid of a Destroyer and a Carrier the Riga Class carried some fifty fighters, the same number as the more massive McKenna, and the Kirghiz and Visigoth aerospace fighters were scrambling through the hanger doors as the two dropships it was carrying began to launch their own fighters.

As the least powerful of the three SLDF capital ships being deployed Admiral Franks had compensated by giving Yukon his two most heavily armed dropships. The Titan Class was a light carrier, itself some two-hundred and fifty metres long and carried eighteen aerospace fighters plus a fairly formidable forward battery of its own. The two Titans had been in mothballs for decades and had never been upgraded since their construction so their weaponry was still as it had been when first designed way back in the 27th Century but they still added some much needed additional weight of fire to the Yukon Battle Group and the thirty-six additional aircraft they were launching should help deal with the swarms of Raiders that would be heading their direction.

Yukon opened up with her forward battery, mostly Naval Lasers but with her huge bore Naval Autocannon firing too, the projectiles from the latter lazily coasting through space at merely high-supersonic speeds by comparison. The beams cut deep into the hull of the basestar which had neither the thick bulky armour-plate of a Colonial Battlestar nor the more advanced ablative armour types used by the Star League that were intended to be slashed by Directed-Energy-Weapons.

Excited comms chatter from the battleships Zughoffer Weir and Bismark reported their own vicious broadsides of massed Heavy Naval PPC’s and Naval Lasers respectively had already done for two of the Cylon Capital ships and Bismark was already turning her forward guns on a third as she came about, mauling it with her array of eight forward-facing Heavy Naval PPC’s and the two huge Naval Autocannon she carried which were of a calibre that a munchkin could actually stand up in.

The basestar under Yukon’s own guns was venting atmosphere and seemed to be on fire, what the hell it was made of the Captain of the Yukon could only guess but it looked very spectacular through the telescope as the laser beams became visible in the gas and debris streaming out from the oddly shaped craft with its strange design aesthetic.

Missiles launched from the basestars towards Yukon had taken far longer to cross the gap between them but they were fighting back at least and doing so with considerable determination the Cylon capital ship firing every tube it had in a continual salvo of missies that streaked towards Yukon leaving multiple trails in their wake. Lacking decent point-defence the destroyer relied on its fighter complement to deal with this kind of assault, or the hundreds of Raiders that were now being vectored away from Galactica and Pegasus towards each of the SLDF vessels, and particle-beam and laser weapons from the aerospace fighters were already swatting down the missiles as best they could.

Not all of the fighters were the relatively modern Kirghiz and Visigoth omnifighters of Clan design, although it should be noted that even the newer Visigoth was now a century-old. New Circe had not yet replaced its entire aerospace fighter fleet and the mothballed Titans had been loaded with the best of the second-line fighters, in many cases being flown by pilots who were not SLDF Regulars but rather the weekend warriors of the reserves. The centuries old Tomahawk and Trident fighters had been the last scheduled to be replaced as New Circe modernised and sold on its older craft because they were lighter, more agile craft than the omnifighters and they were at least the upgraded “Royal” versions making them generally superior to what they were flying in the Inner Sphere in any case. The Tridents only massed a mere twenty-tons, barely twice what a tiny Viper did, and could sustain brutal accelerations, six gees without overthrust so they tore off ahead of the other fighters, pilots often twenty years older than the ones in the omnifighters acting very much like teenagers and having to be ordered not to try and take on the entire Cylon Fleet on their own.

Zughoffer Weir had turned and was now putting an HNPPC broadside from its starboard battery into one Basestar whilst accelerating hard towards a second, firing volleys from its forward Naval Autocannon as it went adding its own momentum to the muzzle velocity of the guns. For some inexplicable reason the basestars seemed to still be just standing there and taking it once the first shells arrived rather than manoeuvring to avoid, not that the SLDF gun-crews were complaining. Even though they didn’t seem to have much in the way of sub-light engines the Cylon capital ships should have been taking more evasive action as soon as the huge Naval Autocannon shells started smashing into them but although they did eventually start to react they had already paid the price for not doing so immediately by then.

The great Mercury Class Battlestar Pegasus was itself pounding a Basestar into floating debris. Her mass-drivers and heavy guns were orientated so that she could deliver maximum punishment straight ahead and her forward battery was far more effective against capital ships than her older less massive sister Galactica could achieve. Galactica herself meanwhile was exchanging fire with two Basestars with her main turrets, whilst her point-defence, like that of Pegasus, threw out a firestorm aimed at Raiders and incoming missiles alike.

Already in the thick of it the Vipers that Galactica had launched were now mixed in with those from Pegasus and over a hundred Mark VII’s all now equipped with medium lasers slung underneath, plus an additional squadron of aging Mark II’s launched from Pegasus were duelling in a gigantic dog-fight with thousands of Raiders and Heavy Raiders. Mixed in with the smaller fighters the twenty-two remaining Kirghiz fighters under the command of Wing Commander Defoe were overwhelmed with targets and Defoe only hoped she wasn’t going to accidentally flash-fry a poor Viper pilot with her LRPPC’s or shred one with her cluster-rounds as she pulled the nose of her hundred-ton machine about.

The Texas Class Battleship Bismark  had been carrying the Wolverines four Leopard CV dropships, small seventy-metre long craft that carried a mere six aerospace fighters apiece but the more the merrier and the Texas Class only carried forty fighters itself so another twenty-four was most welcome. The Leopards themselves had been upgraded once decades before with their original PPC armament replaced by the Enhanced Extended Range Particle Projection Cannon that was both the ancestor of both the Kerensky-Loyalist Clan’s CERPPC and the superior Wolverine LRPPC but they weren’t anywhere near as dangerous as the much larger Titans so their own contribution was limited to helping the fighters in an Anti-Raider and Anti-Missile roll. Nonetheless every platform counted and the Leopard CV’s were soon racking up kills in the amazingly target-rich environment that presented itself.

The Cylons were not really very skilful at war, their usual approach and tactics, such as they were, being largely based around being difficult to kill in an infantry firefight in the case of Centurions, or winning by sheer weight of numbers in the case of Raiders.  Their Basestars lacked the point-defence or heavy guns of the Colonial Equivalents with only missile racks for their own defensive and offensive capabilities and the thing that really crippled them was that the Hybrids, the interconnected “souls” of the Basestars were a very long way from being the rational, logical, single-minded and above all completely sane things they should be. As the Basestars were slashed by lasers, burned-through by particle beams and smashed and shattered by projectile weaponry the Hybrids screamed and their pain was felt even by the ships not being fired upon by the Thirteenth yet.  This was not a time for being their usually quite cryptic selves and being in distress too wasn’t helping the situation one bit, they babbled what the Cavils in particular viewed as superstitious nonsense between reports of damage and this was also starting to badly effect the mainly Centurion crews.

The original Basestars of the First Cylon War pre-dated the development of the Hybrids and would frankly have made a better fight of it in this situation, and for that matter the smarter Model 005 Centurions would have been able to adjust quicker too. It was taking the Cylons too long to react at every turn and having the enraged Cavils screaming orders and the Leobens being almost as cryptic as the Hybrids was not helping. Only Boomer Eight had a decent idea what to do, she was trying to get the others to accept a unified command and fight a lot more creatively in the Colonial Fleet fashion, run away if they had to, for now but it was chaos.

Yukon finally pounded her first target to pieces and the Destroyer and her two Titan Dropship escorts swung about and headed straight towards a pair of Basestars which had been throwing missiles at them. Hundreds of Raiders were tearing towards them preparing to volley off a massive salvo of their own shorter ranged missiles when they got into effective range but the Wolverine vessels had jumped in hundreds of kilometres away and the distance the Raiders had to traverse before they could fire back was a killing ground for the SLDF fighters. In the battle over Aquaria a mere two dozen Kirghiz had slaughtered better than half a Baseship’s worth of fighters before they could retaliate in a situation like this and Yukon and the Titans had deployed well over three times that number of aircraft.

It was pure unmitigated slaughter... the Wolverine fighter-jocks were having the time of their lives as their Directed-Energy-Weapons played over the thinly armoured Cylon warbirds.

Zughoffer Weir had her engines at half their maximum thrust heading straight towards an enemy Capital ship forward guns blazing, her Kirghiz and Visigoth fighters doing their best to keep the Raiders away. ‘Roll the ship, bring port and starboard batteries to bear on the second target’ Captain Ferry ordered as the ship prepared to unleash its full fury.

‘Sir, this will push our heat up into the red’ the Weapons Officer warned as the McKenna Class rolled. ‘We’ll have to cease fire with the forward guns at least’ he stated.

‘Do it’ Ferry responded and the Basestar ahead got a respite as the Zughoffer Weir stopped firing her forward guns.

‘Port and Starboard batteries are at correct elevations, ship rolling, starboard guns coming to bear in five, four three, two, one...’

‘FIRE!’ Ferry ordered and the twenty-four Heavy Naval PPC’s on one side of the ship burned into a Basestar some two-hundred and fifty kilometres distant, completely incinerating several dozen Raiders that had been unfortunate enough to be in the path of the particle beams. The Basestar was crippled and began to tumble in space as the air inside vented from compartments that had been holed, armour and bulkheads seared away.

As the ship slowly rolled the port batteries now began to line up. ‘Second broadside lining up’ the Weapons Officer reported. ‘Five, four, three, two, one...’

‘FIRE!’ Ferry ordered again putting a second broadside from the port guns into the same ship they ad just struck.

‘Massive secondary explosions, she’s coming apart Sir’ another officer reported excitedly as explosions rippled across the surface of the Cylon vessel.

‘Very nice Captain’ Admiral Franks told Ferry.

‘Thank you Sir’ Ferry replied. ‘Weapons Officer please resume firing on the target dead-ahead once we’ve managed to dump some of that heat into the sinks’ he said. One major problem with firing both port and starboard guns in quick succession was that forty-eight Heavy Naval Particle Projection Cannon produced a staggering amount of waste heat and you didn’t want to cook yourself doing that kind of thing too often.

‘We’re about a minute from being up to our neck in Raiders Captain’ the officer manning the Radar station announced.

‘Well we didn’t figure on getting away with this without taking a few knocks did we?’ Admiral Franks observed, looking to Captain Ferry.

‘Put the port and starboard batteries into anti-aircraft mode’ Ferry ordered. They weren’t actually all that effective at it but lacking Colonial style point-defence it was the best they had. ‘Warn our pilots not to get in the way’ he added. Any of the main guns on a McKenna would turn a hundred-ton Kirghiz into vapour.

‘Raiders launching missiles, they’re firing off everything they have, hundreds of inbounds already, ECM largely ineffective’ an officer reported. ‘Even with warheads designed to take out Vipers we’re about to have our paint-job ruined’ he added.

‘Okay I think we’ve demonstrated our conventional firepower enough, it’s time to stop screwing around’ Admiral Franks declared. ‘Signal Bismark and Yukon, we’re finishing this’ he said. ‘If the opportunity presents itself start nuking them at will’ he ordered. ‘Then send this transmission to the Basestars in Caprican’ he continued. ‘The Star League Defence Force wishes you a long and happy next life but advises it will be longer and happier if you stay the frak off our territory’ he said. ‘Then add this to the message afterwards’ he said. ‘When the universe turns bright, don’t look at the light, now bend down, put your head between your knees, kiss your ass goodbye and wait to be resurrected.’

‘Classy’ Captain Ferry told the Admiral, trying not to laugh.

‘No need to kiss my ass Captain’ Franks replied.


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Comments/Suggestions/Abuse? :p

The bulk of the SLDF aerospace fighters involved are the hundred-ton Kirghiz and sixty-ton Visigoth's but they are also using the older and smaller forty-five ton THK-63b "Royal" version of the Tomahawk  and the twenty-ton TRN-3Tb "Royal" Trident which are less heavily armed but faster. Even the Trident is twice the mass of a Viper and not as nimble but it can really accelerate!

The Texas Class Battleship SLS Bismark is smaller than the McKenna Class and less heavily armed but conversely it is more heavily armoured. Like the other clans the Wolverines had equipped all their ships with Lithium-Fusion batteries so they can make a double jump.

When we did see Basestars fighting they really did seem to explicably just stand there and take it rather than manoeuver or even jump away. They also never really deployed their Raiders effectively and often charged down Galactica's guns like lunatics. They'll learn fast after this debacle though! The SLDF can knock out so many ships so fast at long-range in a scenario like this that the Cylons can't really on weight of numbers to carry the day.

From what we saw of the Hybrids I can't see them reacting calmly to the ships they're directly connected with being savaged by heavy weaponry. It all just added to the monumental "clusterfrak".
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Major
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There are no fish in my pond.

Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

Cavil isn't calm enough for command... he's a manipulator and alays seemed out of his depth once things went awry...
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Recruit
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

I was drawn here from TTH and this is my first exposure to Battletech. Loving it so far, but could someone tell me a good reference manual that might list the many styles of mechs and weaponry so that I could follow these stories easier. Checked on Amazon and Ebay, but there are literally hundreds of choices and I have no clue where to start. Not looking for something deep into the rules of BT, more the canon mechs themselves. Thankyou.
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Captain
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

I was drawn here from TTH and this is my first exposure to Battletech. Loving it so far, but could someone tell me a good reference manual that might list the many styles of mechs and weaponry so that I could follow these stories easier. Checked on Amazon and Ebay, but there are literally hundreds of choices and I have no clue where to start. Not looking for something deep into the rules of BT, more the canon mechs themselves. Thankyou.

The problem is that BT has been going for 25 years and so there is a lot of source material... Sarna.net and a few other unofficial sites can give some help

By the way, Hotpoint: wonderful story!
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Major
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

I was drawn here from TTH and this is my first exposure to Battletech. Loving it so far, but could someone tell me a good reference manual that might list the many styles of mechs and weaponry so that I could follow these stories easier. Checked on Amazon and Ebay, but there are literally hundreds of choices and I have no clue where to start. Not looking for something deep into the rules of BT, more the canon mechs themselves. Thankyou.

www.chaosmarch.com has a listing of the majority of them. The more recent stuff hasn't been updated, but that'll get you a good start, including pictures.
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Major
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punch the glitter right off him!

Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

I was drawn here from TTH and this is my first exposure to Battletech. Loving it so far, but could someone tell me a good reference manual that might list the many styles of mechs and weaponry so that I could follow these stories easier. Checked on Amazon and Ebay, but there are literally hundreds of choices and I have no clue where to start. Not looking for something deep into the rules of BT, more the canon mechs themselves. Thankyou.

The downloads section of this sight has an introductory rule booklet and a battletech universe booklet that can help you put the arcane numbers you'll find on Chaos March into context.
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Warrant Officer
Posts: 610

Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

Sounds like the Wolvies eat a lot of Lutefisk, eh?

My dad's family tried to get me to eat that stuff once. . .
Sounds more like surströmming perhaps?
Lutfisk is nothing odd, surströmming though is commonly preferred eaten outside for a good reason (the smell can be dreadful)...    Wink



Anyways...   TAG!
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Sergeant
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Fighting aliens and/or robots in the Periphery

Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

Chapter Thirteen - Part III

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Battlestar Galactica – Deep Space – 3045CE

It was almost impossible to keep track of the fighter battle so Admiral Adama concentrated on the Basestars. Galactica probably had the least powerful main guns in the fleet, even the SLDF destroyer could put more direct hurt on a capital ship than the old battlestar could although her turrets were pounding a couple of Cylon ships nicely, firing high-explosives rather than the flak rounds she would be using against Raiders.

The point-defence guns were starting to overheat like they had over Aquaria, using the same trick they were dumping the waste heat into the water tanks and venting them into space when the pressure built up but that was a stop-gap measure at best. Vipers and Raiders were swarming all around exchanging missiles and fire from their Kinetic-Energy-Weapons with the Vipers enjoying the added benefit of their lasers shifting the loss ratio still further in their favour than normal but nonetheless Colonial Pilots were dying as were increasing numbers of Wolverines with their Kirghiz fighters unable to withstand the relentless hits of Cylon anti-fighter missiles and thirty-millimetre KEW’s forever.

The constant thumps of Raider missiles detonating against the hull were interspersed by reports of damage. A trio of fortunately conventional though still powerful Basestar missiles hit across the starboard flank, two hitting the flight pod and one hitting the main hull knocking out several of the point defence guns and also blasting away some of Galactica’s remaining armour plates and hundreds of tons worth of salvage anchored nearby.  Damage-Control teams were already at work but air was venting out through a breach in the hull and there were reports of casualties.

Pegasus was holding up better, her armour was still fully in place and she had a superior design internally, with stronger bulkheads and more pressure-doors. A brief flash heralded a nuclear detonation against her hull but the great battlestar almost seemed to shrug it off by comparison, the loss of some of her plates and a portion of her secondary batteries not affecting her ability to fight on almost as if she had been poked at rather than hit with an atomic warhead.

Kara Thace killed yet another Raider with her laser-cannon and jinking to avoid tracer-fire from another one pulled the nose of her Viper Mark VII around to fire what was left of her own thirty-millimetre ammunition right into the path of a Heavy Raider, punching holes along its flank until one round hit something important and it exploded.

One problem with lengthy engagements like this was that Viper KEW’s chewed through their ammo supply like a fat guy at an all-you-can-eat buffet, only here the buffet wasn’t being replenished Thrace thought to herself as her counters read less than ten rounds per gun. The laser would keep going until the reactor fuel was used up but it needed time to recharge between shots which was a pain in the ass because it never seemed to be ready when you needed it to be.

More tracer-fire lashed past her cockpit but the Raider responsible soon exploded as another Viper got on its tail and put a short KEW burst up its ass, taking out the engines. ‘You owe me one Starbuck’ Kat declared as she hurtled past, engines at full throttle.

‘You already owe me more than that, I’ll just knock one off the slate’ Starbuck replied, banking hard right pulling onto the tail of another Raider and finding to her joy that the little red LED that meant the laser was charged was lit up. ‘Woo-hoo!’ she exclaimed firing the thing, burning a hole right through the back of the raider between the engines, the beam going on to neatly bisect the organic computer AI inside.

Another fleeting though blinding flash sent a bolt of fear through Starbuck that the Toasters had nuked Galactica but as she turned her head she saw that the closest basestar was now in three pieces the sections slowly tumbling away from each other. ‘This is Galactica Actual’ a very familiar voice introduced itself on the Viper command frequency. ‘I thought you might all want to know that Raptor Four just took out one of the Basestars with a nuke we picked up on Aquaria’ he told them. Adama figured a little morale boost wouldn't go amiss right then.

‘Sucks to be a frakking Toaster today!’ Starbuck howled out. The Admiral had been husbanding his nuclear-armed Raptors until he decided that the Raiders were thinned out enough which meant that despite the confusion they either must be winning or else they were losing so badly it didn’t matter any more.

A large chunk of what had either been a Raider or perhaps a Viper engine slammed into Wing Commander Defoe’s Kirghiz as she tried to get a bead on a Heavy Raider. Already out of cluster rounds for her four autocannon she had her LRPPC’s charged and if the damn thing would just fly straight for one damn second she could melt the bastard and find another one.

Before she could fire however someone else stole her kill as what appeared to be a trio of lasers cut across the Heavy Raiders airframe. ‘Dammit’ she responded through gritted teeth, angry for a second before she realised what the fighter that had done it was, an old Trident was tearing through the fight at high speed, taking opportunistic pot-shits at anything that crossed its path as it went.

Another Trident appeared. ‘Holy shit it’s the cavalry’ Defoe realised as a third of the light aerospace fighters took out a pair of raiders. The twenty-ton machines weren’t as responsive as a Viper but they could sure as hell out dog-fight a Kirghiz and they were much better suited for this kind of close-up mayhem.

Yukon and her supporting craft were moving to support the Colonial Vessels sending the fastest fighters on ahead. At full thrust the handful of Tridents had arrived first but soon a dozen Tomahawks appeared and then over twice that number of Visigoths.

The broken hulks of Basestars were drifting amongst the wreckage of thousands of Raiders as the fight neared the end-game. Zughoffer Weir and Bismark were fighting off several squadrons worth of Raiders still but as Pegasus and Yukon jointly hammered a Cylon capital ship into scrap with their forward batteries Boomer Eight on one of the remaining Basestars finally managed to gain the upper hand in the arguments and ordered a full retreat by any ship still able to use its FTL.

Two Basestars seemed to jump away in a flash although it soon became apparent that one of them had in fact been nuked by a missile from Bismark, others tried to follow but they were too damaged and then Raiders and Heavy Raiders started to flee, dozens then hundreds that were able activating their FTL’s and following the Basestar to safety.

‘The Lords of Kobol love us’ Saul Tigh declared as what was left of the Cylon forces were ruthlessly dispatched in short order, nuclear strikes on damaged basestars finishing them off in style and the remaining Cylon fighters being mopped up by triumphant pilots in SLDF or Colonial uniforms.

Galactica was still venting gas from breaches in her hull, as was Zughoffer Weir after taking a few too many missile strikes from a basestar towards the end but it was clearly an overwhelming victory. The Cylon Fleet had bought three Resurrection Ships with it, the vessels waiting one jump away, but they were completely unable to handle all the downloads and hundreds of Raider minds were lost forever when the buffers overloaded before they could manage to divert much of the Traffic back to the Resurrection Hub itself.

Boomer Eight managed to escape alive but Caprica Six had to wait nearly three weeks until she was reborn on the Resurrection Hub itself and had to requisition a Heavy Raider to return her to the rest of the fleet. It was now massing, not to go after the Colonials but in preparation to meet a feared retaliatory attack by the Thirteenth Tribe against Cylon Territory.

When Caprica Six reached the fleet another two weeks later she found the Cavil who had persuaded her that the Earthers could not have jumpdrives and punched him on the nose, earning a round of amused applause from the vision of Baltar only she could see and surprisingly an admission from the One that he probably deserved that as he clutched his broken nose.


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Hoped you enjoyed the fleet action, the Cylons will never fight on such unfavourable terms again after that stern lesson in never underestimating your enemy or overestimating yourself.  
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Lieutenant Colonel
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Primus

Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

I was wondering when Caprica Six was going to do something.
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Major
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There are no fish in my pond.

Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

The Sixes are a rather volatile bunch... very physical  Wink
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Sergeant
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

The Sixes are a rather volatile bunch... very physical  Wink

Would you like some crushed ice with that crushed nose? Evil
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Captain
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

so how much jump juice is in a raider?  it's going to take some time to clean up that mess.  with all that metal they will not have to mine very much to build more ships, even a nuked basestar should give them enought metal to make a DD at lest not counting all those jump engines (maybe 1 in 10 raiders or even 1 in 100 would give you hundreds of repairable engines.  can not wait for more great write up
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Captain
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

you know, i'd have expected at least someone to comment on how similar a Trident looks to a old-school cylon raider...
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Captain
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

i know you have another story working and it has only been 4 days but...... more please. 
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Recruit
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

i know you have another story working and it has only been 4 days but...... more please.  

One? I think your underestimating the number of stories Hotpoint is juggling at the moment. Two in this universe, the BtVS/Angel rewrite and continuation and the Fallout fic to my limited knowledge.
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Lieutenant
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

Eh... and maybe that X-Com/SG-1 Crossover (Havent heard anything from that in awhile)
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Master Sergeant
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

I didn't think that his previous rate of updates was humanly possible, which goes to show that our dear author is actually a Cylon.

*Airlocks!*
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Sergeant
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

I gotta admit I usually hate fanfic (especially crossovers) but this has some genuine merit. I'm enjoying the exploration of how the two cultures interact and the characterizations seem true to the show.

I hope the Cylons get their edge back, though. Maybe something ECM or computer-related. A good story needs good villains and the Cylons were at their best in the first two seasons of the show, pre-nerf. Give them some credit for adaptability; their fighters will know Colonial/Clan tactics now and the Hybrids have to have some kind of advantage. If nothing else they can still jump better than anyone else.
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Sergeant
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

I didn't think that his previous rate of updates was humanly possible, which goes to show that our dear author is actually a Cylon.

If I didn't have a full-time job I could write a lot more. Some evenings I don't feel like writing at all which reduces my output still further.

I gotta admit I usually hate fanfic (especially crossovers) but this has some genuine merit. I'm enjoying the exploration of how the two cultures interact and the characterizations seem true to the show.

Thanks, glad you're enjoying the story,

I hope the Cylons get their edge back, though. Maybe something ECM or computer-related. A good story needs good villains and the Cylons were at their best in the first two seasons of the show, pre-nerf. Give them some credit for adaptability; their fighters will know Colonial/Clan tactics now and the Hybrids have to have some kind of advantage. If nothing else they can still jump better than anyone else.

The Cylons aren't beaten by a long chalk trust me.
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Sergeant
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Re: Hunted Tribes - A BT/nBSG Crossover

Chapter Fourteen - Part I

“Citizenship guarantees service.”

New Circe Conscription Notification

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Colonial City-State – New Circe – 3045CE

President Roslin stared at Admiral Adama. ‘So does this mean that the rumour I heard that I’m supposed to lead a victory parade through the city is off the agenda because I’d consider avoiding that a reward not a punishment’ he told her as they sat together alone in her office. He had arrived from Galactica by Raptor, the ship jumping into New Circe space from the site of the battle two days before. Because the Thirteenth was justifiably paranoid about how the Cylons had tracked them from Cyrannus all ships and equipment were being inspected thoroughly before they could jump to New Circe and all personnel were being screened by the new Cylon detectors, starting with the thousands of new civilian refugees. All of the crew of Pegasus had already been cleared, and they were just starting to screen the civilian population of the Colonial City State when the HPG transmission from the SLS Pheidippides had arrived informing them of the Admirals return.

‘I thought it was just Cylon lies, or some lawyer trick with that cocky frak Lampkin calling you as a witness and hoping you’d never make it back’ Roslin told him.

‘Sorry to disappoint you’ Adama replied.

Disappoint me?’ Roslin responded. ‘You just told me that the Colonial Fleet broke the armistice with the Cylons and that you commanded the mission.’

Adama sighed. ‘I wish I could say that I was only obeying orders and genuinely thought that was an excuse’ he said. ‘We thought that we’d gotten away with it but assuming the Six was telling the truth about them recovering the recon pilot I sent we didn’t’ he said.

Roslin closed her eyes and rubbed the bridge of her nose. ‘I don’t know what to say or think’ she said. ‘I wish to gods I had never learned this’ she told him honestly.

‘You’re not the one that just found out he may have caused the war’ Adama replied quietly.

Roslin opened her eyes. ‘Do you really think that?’ she asked him.

‘The Cylons always thought we were the bad guys, the ones that enslaved them’ Adama pointed out, ‘what if by crossing the armistice line we proved to them that we were the warmongers they assumed we were?’ he asked rhetorically. ‘From their perspective the attack on the Colonies might be a pre-emptive strike designed to hit us before we could hit them’ he said.

‘We weren’t going to attack them’ Roslin responded.

‘It’s a matter of perception not reality’ Adama replied. ‘We’ve crossed the border into their territory which leads to them sending spies, skinjob infiltrators, into ours’ he said. ‘What do they find out?’ he asked. ‘We’re building more and more of the new modern classes of Battlestar like the Valkyrie and Pegasus retiring the older vessels in the fleet’ he continued, ‘not only are these new ships better armed and armoured we’ve developed networked computers they can’t hack so our military efficiency has gone up.’

‘They were afraid of our ships?’ Roslin queried.

‘Even a decades old design like Galactica can take on two of their latest Basestars and have a better than even chance to beat them in a fair fight’ Adama replied. ‘How many Cylon capital ships could a couple of dozen Mercury Class vessels like Pegasus take on?’ he continued. ‘We had a fleet of one-hundred and twenty battlestars Madam President, our Viper Mark VII’s are much better fighters than Cylon raiders, look at our kill ratios before we got laser weapons from the Thirteenth, hell we were killing them by the squadron-load with forty year old Mark II’s for frak’s sake’ he exclaimed. ‘Our ships are tougher with far superior point-defence and better anti-ship weapons overall.’

Roslin blinked. ‘We had military superiority?’ she said in surprise.

‘Well we’ve not seen any evidence they had enough basestars to defeat the Colonial Fleet in a conventional war’ Adama said flatly. ‘They’ve got better jump-drives, their newer model Centurions make great infantry and shock-troops and their missiles are better than ours but an armed conflict on our terms would have clearly gone badly for the Cylons’ he said.

‘So they used unconventional means instead’ Roslin replied. ‘But surely once they did infiltrate the Colonies they would have found out we weren’t planning an attack?’

‘Not under President Adar perhaps but what if the next president was more minded towards the Twelve Colonies launching a pre-emptive strike against the Cylons?’ Adama responded. ‘The Admiralty disliked Adar, they thought he was a wimp even if he did occasionally throw them a bone by approving new toys for us to play with, there were plenty of hawks in the quorum who might have been President one day, men and women who might have decided to solve the Cylon problem once and for all’ he continued. ‘Frankly if we’d known how inferior their ships were in a fight I might have supported it myself if I was sure they couldn’t launch a retaliatory counter-strike against our population centres’ he admitted.

Roslin pursed her lips. ‘They’re only machines’ she said.

‘That’s what we think, or thought maybe’ Adama replied.

‘Nothing you did justified the use of nuclear weapons on our cities, the attempted genocide of our race’ Roslin stated. ‘It was unjustified mass-murder.’

‘Yes but it makes their motivations for the attack on the Colonies, if not the methods, look a lot less unprovoked’ Adama noted. ‘They might have been willing to leave us in peace but now I guess we’ll never know, and I’ll go the rest of my life with twenty billion lives on my conscience’ he added.

‘You bought back thousands more survivors from the Colonies, we’ve destroyed fourteen basestars and I don’t know how many thousand Raiders with the help of the Thirteenth, this should be a time of celebration not introspection’ Roslin told him.

‘And yet I’m going to have to admit under oath that the Cylons may have genuinely believed they were acting in self-defence and that the Colonial Fleet might have triggered the war’ Adama replied.

‘I could ask you to lie’ Roslin replied.

‘You could ask, I might even consider doing it, but the Cylons know the truth and eventually our people will too’ Adama responded. ‘I don’t want to swear to tell the truth with my hand on one of the sacred scrolls and then lie and I don’t think it would be good for our people long-term even if I did’ he said. ‘I can testify that the civilian government had no part in violating the armistice as far as I know which should insulate you but I’ll offer my resignation anyway assuming you want it?’

‘I don’t but I wish I knew how the people and the press are going to take it’ Roslin replied. ‘I guarantee that the Quorum will want to haul you in front of a investigation committee though.’

‘I’ll make sure to polish my buttons’ Adama responded. ‘So what do you think this will do to the morale-boosting trial you organised in my absence Madam President?’ he asked.

‘Really could have done without this evidence being introduced to the trial, the defence has already managed to get other evidence obtained under torture ruled inadmissible and it would be hard to argue that the murder of Admiral Cain was a planned assassination rather than a fairly understandable act of personal revenge’ Roslin replied. ‘That frakking lawyer has been arguing that the Colonial Fleet computers themselves were a military target and that we can’t directly implicate this individual Cylon with the strikes on civilians.’

‘Can you see the jury buying that?’ Adama queried.

Roslin frowned. ‘Not really but it all helps cloud the entire process’ she replied. ‘We know that Cylons are individuals to the point that they’ll even turn against their own’ she said. ‘I’m sure that punishing one of the things for the actions of all the others is starting to look less like justice and more like vengeance, petty or otherwise.’

‘It’s still a spy and saboteur’ Adama noted.

‘Unfortunately the quick and easy option of giving up on the trial and putting it up against a wall for summary justice isn’t really politically acceptable now, internally or externally’ Roslin replied regretfully. ‘We accorded the damn thing rights in order to obtain extradition and if we back away from due process now the frakking Thirteenth will go insane’ she said. ‘We can still easily make the espionage charges stick, and probably the sabotage, but with your testimony thrown into the mix with all that damn video evidence showing her treatment on Pegasus I don’t know if we’ll get the death penalty verdict everyone was clamouring for at the beginning.’

Admiral Adama nodded. ‘Do you think it deserves to die?’ he asked. ‘Off the record.’

‘In the abstract as a race I’d exterminate them for what they did, and to protect the remaining survivors of the Twelve Colonies, but as for her as an individual I’m just not sure anymore’ Roslin admitted. ‘The psychiatric reports all say that the frakking thing is traumatised, if it was human they would recommend counselling.’

‘We know they were working on Hybrids forty years ago, we don’t know for certain when they perfected something as near-human as what they used to infiltrate us but they ended up copying us so well they almost are us now’ Adama said. ‘Maybe that’s why they reacted the way they did to our incursion over the Armistice Line, they completely overreacted because they weren’t thinking like logical machines they were thinking like people.’

‘And people aren’t rational, we make up justifications to suit what we want to do’ Roslin responded. ‘The Cylons wanted revenge for slavery, they were afraid of us and maybe we gave them the excuse they needed to destroy us.’

‘Add in all their religious mania, dressing up their attack on the Colonies as a Holy Crusade and they rationalised genocide’ Adama said. ‘They’re a mirror to us you know’ he said. ‘We created them and in a way they re-created themselves to be more like us in every way.’

‘That doesn’t put either race in a good light does it?’ Roslin asked rhetorically. ‘I suppose the Thirteenth will say that they fixed those flaws in their DNA’ she continued wryly.

Adama grimaced. ‘Yeah, about the whole “Thirteenth Tribe” thing’ he responded. ‘We need to talk about what we found, or didn’t find on Kobol’ he said. ‘On the plus side it might cause such a media frenzy and an upheaval in our society that the whole breaking the armistice thing gets sidelined’ he told her.

Roslin looked him in the eyes. ‘Is this the reason you arrived with that crate of vintage ambrosia?’ she asked suspiciously.

‘Well I guarantee you’re going to need a drink’ Adama replied.

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If it hadn't been for the computer virus attacks based on what we saw of Colonial Battlestars they were much more effective capital warships that what the Cylons used and even old Viper II's with relatively inexperienced pilots dished out far more damage to the new model Cylon Raiders than they took.

Galactica was an older less capable design which we found out later in the series wasn't even built to spec (probably rushed war-time production). I can only assume that a fleet of fully operational Mercury Class ships like Pegasus each carrying ten squadrons of Viper VII's would have been more than a match for at least twice that number of Basestars, probably more.
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Yup, they used the wrong game engine when they programmed the Cylons for war.. guess Zoe was a bad choice for the prototype!
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Chapter Fourteen - Part II

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Cale Family Farm – New Circe – 3045CE

The sprawling farm was over three hours drive away from McEvedy City but getting dropped off by Raptor cut the journey down to a few minutes. It landed on the large VSTOL pad a kilometre from the farmhouse and surrounding barns and as it lifted off Geoff Cale put on the backpack containing most of his gear and then picked up duffel bag and the largest of his new wife’s bags too. ‘I can carry it myself’ Cally told him. ‘I’m pregnant, I’m not an invalid’ she said.

‘If we arrive at the door and there’s a woman with me, pregnant or otherwise, carrying luggage while I’ve got a free hand my father would disown me’ the mechwarrior replied.

‘From what I’ve seen of the women on this planet I can’t imagine any of them having trouble carrying their own bags’ Cally observed.

Cale laughed. ‘My Mom spends one weekend a month humping artillery rounds about in the Army Reserves but that’s not really the point’ he said as they started to walk towards the farm.

‘So why do you have somewhere to land aircraft?’ Cally asked.

‘Everywhere does’ her husband told her. ‘Every farm, mine and industrial facility outside the capital can be used as an emergency landing strip for helicopters or aerospace fighters’ he continued. ‘It’s the same reason why all our factories are designed to be dual use’ he said. ‘The plant where they make tractors and bulldozers can be switched over to tank production in days.’

Cally laughed. ‘You’re really paranoid people you know’ she told him.

‘Happy is that city which in times of peace thinks of war’ Cale quoted back at her. ‘If the Twelve Colonies had our level of military preparedness the Cylons wouldn’t have caught you napping.’

‘If we were like you I’d be two metres tall, built like a professional athlete and we wouldn’t have ever met’ Cally replied.

‘Much worse for me at least’ he observed, stopping to bend down and give her a kiss on the cheek.

‘I think you should have called ahead’ Cally told him as they neared the farm.

‘I had no idea that Colonel McEvedy was going to get us put at the front of the queue for screening’  he replied. ‘Did I tell you he’s going to get me made up to First Lieutenant as soon as the paperwork is approved.’

‘Only five or six times’ Cally told him with a smile.

‘It’s not a lot more pay but I’ll make Captain faster now and that’ll mean better married quarters’ he said brightly.

Cally frowned. ‘I’m still not sure I want to live on an Army Base’ she said.

‘Well I can’t afford a big enough house off the base on my salary and if we do live in married quarters, even for just a couple of years we can save enough to get somewhere really nice in McEvedy’ he said.

‘We could get one of the new houses being built in the City-State’ Cally told him. ‘I could get a job working ground-crew at the new airbase they’re constructing’ she suggested.

‘The SLDF is going to be buying Raptors and putting Raptor jumpdrives on our fighters’ Geoff reminded her. ‘They’ll need experienced people to look after them, you could do that at one of our facilities, maybe as a secondment from the Colonial Fleet.’

‘At least you don’t expect me to quit my job and be a full time mother’ Cally responded.

‘Sibling Companies are where kids go while their parents do their jobs’ he replied. ‘You’re so funny’ he said, smiling at her.

‘Oh yeah, the combination crèche and kindergarten where little Wolverine cubs get taught how to strip and reassemble assault weapons while they recite poetry about wars’ Cally replied.

‘Learning the Remembrance is good for language skills, promoting unity of purpose and teaching good citizenship’ her husband told her, ‘I didn’t learn how to strip an assault rifle or fire an Inferno Launcher until I was twelve’ he told her. ‘And wolverines have kits not cubs’ he added.

‘Twelve?’ Cally queried, raising her eyebrows ‘I was joking’ she admitted.

‘I was a Kit Scout, they don’t just take us camping in the woods and teach us how to tie knots, the idea is to give children a grounding in basic infantry skills’ he said. ‘It’s voluntary, or it would have been with different parents anyway’ he told her.

They must have been seen coming because a woman who looked to be in her late thirties came running out of the house calling out in English, some of which Cally understood. Geoff Cale put down the bags in his hands and embraced her. ‘Cally this is my Mom’ he introduced her in Caprican. ‘Mom this is my wife Cally’ he continued in English.

Good genes, Cally thought as she added another decade or so to the woman’s age, life expectancy here was a hundred and twenty she knew. The woman was a hundred and eighty centimetres, about average height for a civilian woman here and like everyone else looked disgustingly fit and healthy as she paused for a second looking at Cally before embracing her in turn saying something. ‘I don’t speak your language very well yet’ Cally replied as best she could in halting English.   

‘Mom says you should come inside and sit down and she’ll get you something to eat’ Geoff translated. ‘And now she’s ripping on me for not calling ahead’ he continued as his mother started berating him, her tone if not her words requiring little interpretation. ‘Dad is ploughing one of the fields on the far side of the river, my brothers and sisters are still at school or working but they’ll be back home soon’ he told her, ‘both my grandmothers are in McEvedy shopping and both my grandfathers are off in the woods supposedly hunting bears but are probably working their way through a keg of hembränt by now’ he said. ‘Best thing you can use potatoes for they always said’ he told her, laughing.

‘Why did you introduce bears, wolves and jaguars and things to this planet?’ Cally asked, ‘I always did want to ask’ she said. Cloning then releasing deer, reindeer and even wild boar into the forests made a great deal more sense than dangerous predators.

‘So we can shoot them’ the mechwarrior explained, odd question he thought.

Back at the capital Lord Protector Vaun and her cabinet were receiving a report from the three most senior officers who had gone on the Cyrannus expedition with Admiral Franks in attendance. Colonel McEvedy had already given his analysis of the performance of his forces against Centurions and Wing Commander Defoe had presented a short lecture on the capabilities of Cylon Raiders and now Commander Thorpe was explaining how Basestars measured up, which wasn’t well.

‘They’re really that bad, Query Affirmative?’ Vaun asked in surprise.

‘Affirmative’ Thorpe confirmed. ‘In terms of acceleration, armament and armour they are far inferior to their Colonial equivalents let alone our ships’ he said as a hologram of a basestar rotated in mid-air before them. ‘Their missiles are adequate but they don’t use them as well as they should and they lack other defensive or offensive weaponry just as the Colonials told us’ he continued. ‘It’s almost as if they have half a naval doctrine, they have un-armoured Fleet Carriers designed to carry a large number of aircraft but they didn’t realise they needed escort ships too if they were going to take that approach’ he said. ‘The Colonial Fleet would have been better off with a mix of carriers and battleships too, their battlestars are generalists and not optimised for either role, but at least they can do both jobs.’

Admiral Franks nodded his agreement with the Intelligence Officers assessment. ‘As long as we maintain our monopoly on Directed Energy Weapons any confrontation between our capital ships and enemy basestars is going to be very bloody for them’ he said. ‘Or hydraulic fluidy if you prefer’ he added with a chuckle.

‘That’s not to say that they wouldn’t have done much better than they did with better tactics’ Thorpe noted. ‘In both engagements we fought the enemy were fighting at ranges that were much better for us that them’ he said. ‘Two or three basestars jumping almost directly alongside one of our ships and throwing every missile they had at us from short-range range is going to hurt bad’ he said. ‘I would recommend a re-fit of our ships to deal with massed missile attacks’ he advised. ‘A mix of Colonial point-defence batteries plus Laser Anti-Missile Systems would drastically improve the ability of our ships to cope with that kind of battle.’

‘I concur’ Franks said. ‘The damage to the Zughoffer Weir could have been avoided if it was better able to defend itself from large numbers of fighters and missile barrages’ he told the politicians. ‘I would also argue that it would be in our interests to improve the defensive and offensive capabilities of the Colonial vessels, Galactica in particular as the forward battery on Pegasus is already a decent threat to just about anything at their typical engagement ranges’ he continued. ‘I have a slightly radical suggestion if I’m allowed to make it in this forum’ he requested of the Lord Protector.

‘Go ahead Admiral’ Vaun told him.

Zug is already heading for the orbital shipyard repair facilities, once everyone aboard Galactica is checked out by the Cylon detectors we’ll be jumping her back here too to repair battle damage and to replace her armour belt, even more of which is missing now’ he said. ‘I suggest we do more than fix the ships I suggest we take the opportunity to mix things up a little.’

‘Meaning?’ Vaun asked.

‘We dismount eight of the Heavy Naval PPC’s from the Zughoffer Weir and mount them as a forward battery on Galactica whilst taking a hundred or so of the dual point-defence guns from the battlestar and mounting them on our flagship’ he said. ‘We then add laser AMS systems to both vessels.

The Lord Protector and the Cabinet stared at him. ‘You’re serious?’ Vaun asked.

‘Yes Ma’am’ Franks replied. ‘Wing Commander Defoe already suggested that we equip the new Kirghiz jumpfighters we intend to put into production  with Laser Anti-Missile-Systems so we should be able to crank them out relatively cheaply as a long production run and also add them in number to all our other ships plus Pegasus’ he said. ‘Giving Galactica that much additional punch would enable her to pull her weight more in a capital-ship fight and I doubt the Colonials would say no to the deal.’

‘I think they’re getting the better end of it’ Vaun remarked.

‘With respect Lord Protector I don’t know if they will’ Commander Thorpe spoke up. ‘I would suggest that we negotiate to mount one of the salvaged battlestar jump-drives on the Zughoffer Weir too’ he said. ‘The ability to tactical jump one of our battleships alone is worth its weight in germanium.’

‘True’ Franks agreed. ‘Once both of the ships are fully re-fitted and operational again I would suggest we go through the same process with Bismark and Pegasus’ he said. ‘The Naval Lasers from the Bismark don’t have the firepower of the guns from Zug but Pegasus already has a decent forward battery anyway, they’ll just give her the ability to reach out further and hit even harder up close’ the Admiral continued. ‘I would also advise we convince the Colonials of the benefits to their own security of giving us jumpdrives we can fit to our Titan Class dropships to turn them into light-carriers with interstellar range and then do the same to our Leopard CV’s.’

‘It’ll be a while before they can make new jumpdrives but they could strip them from civilian ships’ Thorpe noted. ‘Their recovered production line for Raptor FTL’s will take a couple of months to get going which should give us time to get our own factories churning out the new autocannon and laser AMS units in numbers’ he said.

‘We’ve already increased aerospace fighter production to wartime levels both to replace losses and increase our fighter strength’ Franks noted. ‘This will require a reduction in battlemech production rates so our second brigade will have to soldier on with the old Pulverizers for a while I’m afraid.’

‘I’m not a mechwarrior but I can see a certain Brigadier General being a little annoyed he won’t be getting his full complement of Pulverizer II’s for a while yet’ Colonel McEvedy remarked. Although the armaments industry of New Circe was large to the point of being excessive all that plant and machinery was usually run at peacetime low-production rates, though ready to step-up when required. It would have been years before there were enough of the new Assault Mechs to arm all three brigades of the 331st and if workers and materials were going to be moved to fighter production it would be even longer.

‘We might also want to consider adding another fighter to our inventory’ Franks suggested. ‘We’ve had the plans for the Clan Avar Light Fighter for as long as we’ve had those for the Kirghiz we just never put them into production’ he said. ‘It’s a thirty-five ton design and is far faster and more manoeuvrable than even the Visigoth medium fighters we employ let alone the Kirghiz itself’ he continued. ‘I wouldn’t advise shutting down the existing lines but instead starting another for producing this cheaper less resource-intensive design that is also more suited for dogfighting Raiders for that matter, we could also offer it to the Colonials, it’s still over three times the mass of a Viper but it’s more like their idea of a fighter and a longer production run would lower unit costs.’

‘What do you think Wing Commander?’ Vaun asked Defoe. ‘You’ve flown against the Cylons.’

‘Even a light fighter design like the Avar won’t handle nearly as well as a Viper or a Raider but there were plenty of times I wished I was flying something that wasn’t so damn easy for the Raiders to out-turn Ma’am’ Defoe replied honestly. ‘Also an aircraft that can pull seven and a half gees of acceleration on overthrust like the Avar would be a bitch for the Toasters to deal with in a lot of situations’ she said. ‘They had trouble with the twenty-ton Tridents for that reason and the Avar isn’t that much slower.’

Lord Protector Vaun looked around the room at her cabinet. ‘We’ll discuss these proposals after lunch’ she told them. ‘We have won a great victory over the enemies of humanity but this will not be a short war and now we’re in it up to our vibro-bayonets we need to start planning and preparing for how we are going to prosecute the war long-term’ she said. ‘If you want to know my policy then it’s very simple’ she said. ‘I intend to make war on the Cylons from now until ultimate victory’ she declared before lowering her head as if in prayer. ‘God preserve the Star League in Exile’ she said in a reverent tone before looking up again. ‘And death to the enemies of the Clan’ she thundered.

‘Seyla’ everyone in the room intoned.

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The Avar is a Light Aerospace fighter introduced into service in 2878 making it a little long-in-the-tooth for a Clan fighter but it's still in service with them by 3045 and the best fighter of its size available to the Wolverines. Just over a third the tonnage of the Kirghiz it's much cheaper to build and compared to Raiders it's still a flying tank.

Eight Heavy NPPC's would give Galactica a lot more firepower but still leaves the Wolverine Flgship with a very creditable forty of them. The addition of Colonial point-defence is a must once the Cylons adjust tactics because SLDF capital ships are not well armed against massed fighter attacks or missile spam.
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Avar, huh? Seeing what happens when someone unleashes an LRM-20 or 24 SRMs into a cloud of Raiders is going to be... interesting. The Kirghiz's DEWs can only kill one at a time, even if they do it very, very well. Too bad the Wolverines don't have Swarm missiles... right?  Huh?
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Hm. The Wolvies don't have the capability to construct new ones? Or just on such short order?

And get the Bucket some heat sinks. About 1000 should be enough, with PD factored in. Wink
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the one flaw i see with using the Avar is that those wings and tail are frakking huge, and they won't fit the launch tubes of the Galactica or Pegasus.
if i was to choose, i'd go with the Corsair. while 50 tons, and not quite as manuverable or fast, the ship is more compact, similar in shape and size to a Viper, and with 4 small, and 2 each medium, and large lasers, it would be death by blazing hot light against toasters.
the CSR-V20, which pulls the small and medium lasrs for an SRM-6, would probably work just as well. though it's not omni, so couldn't mount LB-X or a 30mm HOD...

another alternative would be the F-10 Cheetah, which in terms of size and mass is even closer to the viper. and it's still got two medium lasers. plus it's blindingly fast, at 6+ gravities..
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Swifts!  Everybody loves Swifts, right?  Right?  Hey...why's everybody looking at me like that?

Also, why rip NPPCs off the Zug?  She should have the heat sinks to handle some point defense guns, and she's certainly got the mass.  Do the Wolverines have major production bottlenecks on capital weaponry?
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