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Seconded, especially the first point. The second point is more open to interpretation knowing the ability of ComStar factions to keep secrets.
Though it would be nice for the Clans to decide Invisible Truth was tainted enough to be sandwiched by battleships.
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but wasn't there a line in the book about it being strange for two perfectly good BCs to just be lying around...
Well, you would kinda draw attention cruzing the mid Succession Wars era with PAIR of Cameron Class Battlecruisers? It maybe that they may not had the enough resources too keep them going despite their good condition. By stashing them and mothballing the ships, they could come back later and pick them up. |
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but wasn't there a line in the book about it being strange for two perfectly good BCs to just be lying around... Yup, its in The Hunters p136. It does suggest they were found in 'mothballs' in a deep-periphery system, where they had been left by the Exodus fleet. I wonder if they were perhaps part of the Prinz Eugen rebellion; but why would you leave two perfectly good ships behind? Unless their crews got spaced by Kerensky of course and they didn't have any one else to fly them. The ref from the novel does suggest that ComStar new more than it was telling with this version of events though. Chris |
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Yup, its in The Hunters p136. It does suggest they were found in 'mothballs' in a deep-periphery system, where they had been left by the Exodus fleet. I wonder if they were perhaps part of the Prinz Eugen rebellion; but why would you leave two perfectly good ships behind? Unless their crews got spaced by Kerensky of course and they didn't have any one else to fly them.
The ref from the novel does suggest that ComStar new more than it was telling with this version of events though.
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Interesting factoid for the day.
Shipil is/was building Overlord A3s at Skye. HB:HS. Guess the Lyrans have a competent heavy assault ship to go with their Mjolnirs.
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Nice...fire support while the heavy stuff dashes in to let rip with the NACs!
On a similar note, has anyone tried using T-Missiles for bearings-only shots yet? I've always figured they'd be easier to use that way than normal missiles, since their slower transit speed means there's less chance of mistiming the shot and having the missile cruise clear past an enemy before the weapons phase, and since they're operating autonomously, you don't have to wait until they hit before firing the next, letting you keep up a higher rate of fire. Can anyone confirm this?
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Ah yes, the BC soon to be known as the Fart.  I dunno, Surrender your dreams sort of indicated that that swhip had facotires on board for producing the Fidelis' weaponry. I could see one the one known Newgranges being that ship. to those powers that don't have warships it would be scary as hell, to those that would, they would know what to do. on a different note, do we know when the WOB Fleet was at its peak, and how many ships that made it up |
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Peak is such a subjective term. Especially with new ships coming online all the time.
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The WoB keep fixing them up so Herb can Nuke 'Em...so sad...  |
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Yup, its in The Hunters p136. It does suggest they were found in 'mothballs' in a deep-periphery system, where they had been left by the Exodus fleet. I wonder if they were perhaps part of the Prinz Eugen rebellion; but why would you leave two perfectly good ships behind? Unless their crews got spaced by Kerensky of course and they didn't have any one else to fly them.
The ref from the novel does suggest that ComStar new more than it was telling with this version of events though.
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You that kinda leaves what happened to the Star Sword. I know the ship was used spare parts for Invinsible Truth. However, in real terms the ship could be made operational again since they have active shipyard at Titan and who known where else. My impression they were simply building anything of Cameron Class Battlecruiser's scale size. If they do have a Newgarge Class Yardship they could just get around to actually restoring the ship. |
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The Faslanes may not have been available when Starsword was cannibalized. And the Sol system might not be such a good place to refit a BC during the Succession Wars. Sure, the system was officially closed off to the Houses by Comstar, but tere was certainly civilian merchant shipping going back and forth, and I doubt even old-school ROM could keep an entire star system completely free of spies. As such, they may not have had access to proper yard facilities when stripping that ship, and as such were without the tools to do it right and leave the rest of the ship intact. If they didn't forsee being able to ever reactivate her, there's no reason to be all that careful when removing stuff, so the hull itself could be little more than a mangled mess.
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The Faslanes may not have been available when Starsword was cannibalized. And the Sol system might not be such a good place to refit a BC during the Succession Wars. Sure, the system was officially closed off to the Houses by Comstar, but tere was certainly civilian merchant shipping going back and forth, and I doubt even old-school ROM could keep an entire star system completely free of spies. As such, they may not have had access to proper yard facilities when stripping that ship, and as such were without the tools to do it right and leave the rest of the ship intact. If they didn't forsee being able to ever reactivate her, there's no reason to be all that careful when removing stuff, so the hull itself could be little more than a mangled mess.
I'm not so sure. From The Hunters gave the impression that both ships were made operational when they were found, later were one was decommissioned. Thus they were moving the both ships around. Faslane Class was available what 29th-30th Century? If the ship stayed immobile in the Periphery or some "parking" solar system. They could have decommissioned the thing kept it there. Why bring the boats back online and just wear them out when they were not needed it yet? Unless Star Sword broke down some where inconvenient which wrting doesn't suggest. They could have access to the thing. That just my take on it. They need have that boat in shipyard to yank the parts out of it in first place. Yardship or other wise. |
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The Hunters also told us the two ships were perfectly intact when they were found. No indication that the services of Faslanes were needed.
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The Hunters also told us the two ships were perfectly intact when they were found. No indication that the services of Faslanes were needed.
True, i was actually getting around to the later Comstar scrapping one. Mis-typed about needing the Yardship re-active both of them when they were found. |
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They probably scrapped the one for needed and rare parts a Faslane would be able to produce but would take time too. especially if the Faslane was busy somewhere else doing something else. It would be just easier to strip one and then place the it in mothballs until new parts can be made and installed.
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Hey don't forget that in the 3057 revised edition the Avatar heavy cruiser is mothballed somehere in an orbiting clan brian cache. According to the 3057 TRO the SLDF exodus fleet had 6 Avatars heavy cruisers. The clans mut have many more ships that have been mothballed. So I think that it is a possibility that the clans can quickly bring these and many more SLDF era ships back into service.
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Are we keeping a list of SLDF ships, because I noticed a couple in Battlespace.
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I keep track of 'em, though I think I looked over BSpace already. Got any new Class-and-names?
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FWL Battle cruiser Rasalas p13
Black Lion Michael Norman
Congress Long March and Noble House.
p31, Hide and Seek scenario. Probably not SLDF names.
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BattleCorps just released a tie-in scenario for TP:Atreus where WarShips loyal to Thomas Marik (defenders) slug it out with the FWL fleet that was ursurped by WoB (attackers).
WoB: Aegis-class Nueva Badajoz, Agamemnon-class Aeneas, Black Lion-class Xanthos, Eagle-class
Mordred, Impavido-class Impavido and Thera-class Corinth
Marik: Eagle-class Gawain, Impavido-class Janos Marik, Zechetinu II-class Acari and Scorpion, Zechetinu-class Sparta, and
Essex-class Raven (only Raven and Acari escaped to the Duchy of Oriente)
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Weirdo, guess you better add Aeneas to that document I sent you.
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BattleCorps just released a tie-in scenario for TP:Atreus where WarShips loyal to Thomas Marik (defenders) slug it out with the FWL fleet that was ursurped by WoB (attackers).
WoB: Aegis-class Nueva Badajoz, Agamemnon-class Aeneas, Black Lion-class Xanthos, Eagle-class
Mordred, Impavido-class Impavido and Thera-class Corinth
Marik: Eagle-class Gawain, Impavido-class Janos Marik, Zechetinu II-class Acari and Scorpion, Zechetinu-class Sparta, and Essex-class Raven (only Raven and Acari escaped to the Duchy of Oriente)
Ugh, that wasn't even fight. Nice to hear they got flesh it out in battle. I can't imagine some destroys and frigates able to handle couple heavy cruisers, destroyer, frigate and Large Aerospace Carrier 220 aircraft! |
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Who said it was a straight-up brawl? It's only logical that upon seeing such heavyweights turn traitor, the FWLN's duty wouldn't be to fight, but to escape and continue the fight some other day.
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Yep pretty lopsided fight,however one of the warchest options is that noone has ammo!!!That might make it a more balanced fight, just like in the setup theres something about if you set up without droppers or ASF's..
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Interesting to note both Nueva Badajoz and Xanthos are in that formation.
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Yep pretty lopsided fight,however one of the warchest options is that noone has ammo!!! No ammo at all? Yeah, that'll make it a bit more balanced fight, with Xanthos reduced to trying to act as a flying shield, either physically or with ECM. |
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BattleCorps just released a tie-in scenario for TP:Atreus where WarShips loyal to Thomas Marik (defenders) slug it out with the FWL fleet that was ursurped by WoB (attackers).
Is the scenario available for purchase or is it only for Subscribers? I didn't see when I purchased JTP: Atreus. |
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No ammo at all? Yeah, that'll make it a bit more balanced fight, with Xanthos reduced to trying to act as a flying shield, either physically or with ECM.
Yes, its called you forgot what?! It gives the loyalists about 10 more seconds life(I know I'm exagerating),still gonna be an ugly prison rules type of smackdown. Jay |
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I dunno. Most of the FWL's heavy hitters are focused on NACs for their hitting power, and if those aren't available, they're a LOT less of a threat. The Black Lion is largely impotent, though at least the Aegii have NLs to fall back on. I don't remember how much of an Aggie's firepower is energy-based, but I'm fairly sure it's mostly NAC-based as well. Under conditions like that, even the Sparta becomes a heavy hitter, though I bet Acari is wishing it hadn't removed the lasers for those now-empty 'Cudas.
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Is the scenario available for purchase or is it only for Subscribers? I didn't see when I purchased JTP: Atreus.
For subscribers. Plus it has record sheets for the Warships. Jay |
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Ugh, that wasn't even fight. Nice to hear they got flesh it out in battle. I can't imagine some destroys and frigates able to handle couple heavy cruisers, destroyer, frigate and Large Aerospace Carrier 220 aircraft!
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Were all of the Thera's fighters involved on the Blakist side?
I'm a non-Battlecorp subscriber, so I don't know. I'm actually asking. Thera is built to hold 200 fighters, but since there no way to know unless you subscriber. Your guess is as good mine. Since it carries alot fighters, it be logical it had them all. Then again, its assumed that fighters be deployed per how many launch doors. I'm actually confused by the fact that Thera was on Oriente's side, since i thought it was part of the Marik/Oriente forces and not Marik Commonwealth/WoB forces. |
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