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What's up with the Ares-Class mechs? Do they work for various factions? Which ones? Can you only buy the one color scheme miniature, or are there multiple? Has anyone repainted one to match their faction? How many points is that mech?
Can a transport carry another transport that has troops inside? For example, can I have a VTOL transport carry a wheeled transport that's got a couple of infantry in it?
A Mech with a carry capacity like the Atlas seems to be pretty useful. What types of infantry would be best to go inside there?
I have a few more questions, but I can't remember them at the moment. I'll get back to you all.
Thanks for any answers you have!
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Lieutenant
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What's up with the Ares-Class mechs? Do they work for various factions? Which ones? Can you only buy the one color scheme miniature, or are there multiple? Has anyone repainted one to match their faction? How many points is that mech?
Walking fortresses really. Very very very big targets, giant point sinks (525 points for each of them, and there are four different ones, all with different paint schemes, some people have repainted some, don't remember who though). They're gunslingers, so don't work for any specific faction (although, in the fiction, I think you'll find they were a secret project of the Fortress Republic or something). Can a transport carry another transport that has troops inside? For example, can I have a VTOL transport carry a wheeled transport that's got a couple of infantry in it?
No. Cap limits hinder this in the first place as all transports are vehicles. Also (might have been DA rules) the rules state that passengers count towards the cap limit, which would make it over three in the first place (which is max cap for any transport). So, in answer to your question: no, they can't. A Mech with a carry capacity like the Atlas seems to be pretty useful. What types of infantry would be best to go inside there?
Repair units can be useful, even artillery, or fast grappling basers. All depends on your play style and how to want to use the mech. For longevity: repair. For defense: artillery. For offense: basers. Do they help? I have a few more questions, but I can't remember them at the moment. I'll get back to you all.
We'll happily answer them! I see you're relatively new to the forums as well, welcome! Martin Roshak |
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Warrant Officer
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Only the most dangerous can look this harmless.
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No. Cap limits hinder this in the first place as all transports are vehicles. Also (might have been DA rules) the rules state that passengers count towards the cap limit, which would make it over three in the first place (which is max cap for any transport). So, in answer to your question: no, they can't.
Martin Roshak
A better answer would have been that any unit marked with a carry capacity is identified as a Transport and can not be carried. This includes several units that are marked with a zero capacity (Cap 0) such as the Gun Nest infantry unit. Most vehicles and no mechs can be carried by transports, vehicles require the space of three infantry to be carried. This is why Cap 3 transporters are desireable. GC |
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Lieutenant
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Khan of the Shadow Falcons
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A better answer would have been that any unit marked with a carry capacity is identified as a Transport and can not be carried. This includes several units that are marked with a zero capacity (Cap 0) such as the Gun Nest infantry unit. Most vehicles and no mechs can be carried by transports, vehicles require the space of three infantry to be carried. This is why Cap 3 transporters are desireable.
Agreed, but I seem to remember (at the very least in the DA rules) something being said about transports in transports. Obviously changed with AoD. Thank you for further clarification there GC  |
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The Age of Destruction rules state that a transport, (Anything marked with a capacity icon.) cannot be carried by a transport. So, my Hadur Fast Support Vehicle with a capacity of 0 can not carry, or be carried by anything. The rules also say that mechs can be transported as well, but require a capacity of four to do so. Since no transport goes over three capacity, you'll not be flying mechs over the battlefield anytime soon. -_-
The Ares are recorded as "gunslinger," or basicly, mercenary. They can be used in any faction as long as you pay recruitment. (Or just ignore factions and use whatever you want. ^,.,^)
As for passengers on mechs... Test a few combos. Use long-ranged units like the Black Wolf and Thunderbird battlearmors to make firing formations, Grapple equipped infantry to slow down opponents, capture and bypass teams to take over weakened units... etc.
Have fun!
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Lieutenant
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Your friendly neighborhood Periphery pirate!
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Agreed, but I seem to remember (at the very least in the DA rules) something being said about transports in transports. Obviously changed with AoD. Thank you for further clarification there GC Unless it was "transports cannot be passengers of other transports", you are mistaken. It has always been the case that transports could not also be passengers. The rules also say that mechs can be transported as well, but require a capacity of four to do so. No, they don't. There are no official transport rules for 'Mechs, period. |
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Lieutenant
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Wait, what?
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From the rulebook: Transports can only carry infantry and vehicles.
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In Silence: Looking more the noob one post at a time.
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Recruit
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Thanks for your help, everyone.
Another question: How is it determined what class of mech a mech is? I can't find it in the rules, and the only place I'm seeing it is on Warrenborn. What's the official answer? Is it based on points? Is there something on their stand?
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Recruit
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It is written on the base of each Mech. For example: You can determine NC-ACT-H to be a heavy mech, since the last letter of its serial number is an 'H'. Same goes for 'L' (Light), 'M' (Medium), 'H' (Heavy), 'A' (Assault) and 'C' (Colossal) |
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Lieutenant
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pg 36 of the RoW: A ’Mech’s class is listed in the last letter of its variant name. Each ’Mech is one of four classes: light (L), medium (M), heavy (H), or assault (A). |
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Lieutenant
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The units that came before Age of Destruction can were not classified this way though-although this doesn't matter so much because you can't equip anything to them anyway. (Excluding house rules.)
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Sergeant
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the Mech drops here >:)
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Pre- AOD mechs (dark age mechs) if your playing with house rules or just want o add gear to them .. the class can be determined VIA the battletech technical read out books ... (link to an example)im not sure if there is a online source for this info ... as i have most if not all the books and have never looked into it ... i think i will though |
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Pop quiz, hotshot- what do you do, what DO you do?
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Pre- AOD mechs (dark age mechs) if your playing with house rules or just want o add gear to them .. the class can be determined VIA the battletech technical read out books ... (link to an example)im not sure if there is a online source for this info ... as i have most if not all the books and have never looked into it ... i think i will though That's not entirely true- some of those Mechs aren't in any TRO as of yet (the Mad Cat III comes to mind). A better bet is to look in the dossier for the unique versions (there is one of most of the Mechs, as I recall) and figure it by the weight listed. |
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Warrant Officer
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wat?
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im not sure if there is a online source for this info
I think warrenborn.com has a section on what weight classes DA mechs are, although Im shooting blanks on which section its under. I'd use sarna.net as a more reliable source of finding weight classes. |
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Corporal
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rawr
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No, warrenborn uses the solaris 7 point system to classify those mechs for class. It can go terribly wrong though, since eziekiel's blade is a light mech, but because it is 290 points, it is listed as an assault, with Stefhani Ehli's Zues listed as a heavy. I have the list, with the correct weights on msot of the mechs.
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DARK AGE MECHS
MiningMech 35 - L
ConstructionMech 30 - L
AgroMech 35 - L
ForestryMech 25 - L
MiningMech MOD 35 - L
ConstructionMech MOD 30 - L
AgroMech MOD 35 - L
ForestryMech MOD 25 - L
Koshi 25 - L
FIRE FOR EFFECT
AgroMech Mk II 30 - L
AgroMech Mk II MOD 30 - L
AgroMech MOD-B 35 - L
MiningMech MOD-B 35 - L
Uller - 30 - L
Crimson Hawk - 25 - L
Shadow Cat II - 60 - H
Black Hawk - 50 - M
Mad Cat II - 90 - A
Thor - 70 - H
Vulture - 60 - H
Black Knight, 75 - H
Cygnus, 95 - A
DEATH FROM ABOVE
ConstructionMech MOD-B 30 - L
ConstructionMech MkII 30 - L
ConstructionMech MkII MOD 30 - L
Locust 20 - L
Ghost 50 - M
Valiant 30 - L
Mongoose II 40 - M
Ocelot 35 - L
Wolfhound 35 - L
Sun Cobra 55 - M
Shockwave 50 - M
Thunderbolt 65 - H
Sphinx 75 - H
LIAO INCURSION
ForestryMech B 25 - L
MiningMech MkII 35 - L
MiningMech MkII MOD 35 - L
Wasp 20 - L
Blade 35 - L
Targe 40 - M
Dasher II 40 - M
Griffin 55 - M
Warhammer IIC 80 - A
Shen Yi 65 - H
Tian-zong 75 - H
Hellstar 95 - A
COUNTERASSAULT
ForestryMech MOD-B 25 - L
*Raider - 25 - L (guess, there is no definite source)
*Raider MkII - 25 - L (guess, there is no definite source)
Mjolnir 25 - L
Phoenix Hawk 45 - M
Rifleman 65 - H
Ti Ts'ang 60 - H
Longbow 85 - A
Yu Huang 90 - A
Kodiak 100 - A
Marauder II 100 - A
FALCON’S PREY
SalvageMech MOD 25 - L
Stinger 20 - L
Spider 30 - L
Shadow Hawk IIC 45 - M
Uziel 50 - M
Eyrie 35 - L
Storm Raider 35 - L
Gyrfalcon 55 - M
Tiburon 35 - L
Warhammer IIC 80 - A
Shrike 95 - A
Cyclops 90 - A
Templar 85 - A
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Warrant Officer
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wat?
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No, warrenborn uses the solaris 7 point system to classify those mechs for class. Yeah, had a hunch about that. I guess thats what you get for not paying too much attention to stuff then >_> |
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Lieutenant
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Yeah, had a hunch about that. I guess thats what you get for not paying too much attention to stuff then >_>
If you are looking at the faction breakdowns in the Solaris section: yes that is true. If you are looking at the TRO section: that is not correct. The TRO section is using tonnage and provides the source of said tonnage. |
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Lieutenant
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I have the list, with the correct weights on most of the mechs.
Very nice. I did note immediately that you left off the Mad Cat III-55 ton medium by the way, as well as the 75 ton heavy Ryoken II. Probably more, but I'll just mention those for the moment. |
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Corporal
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Very nice. I did note immediately that you left off the Mad Cat III-55 ton medium by the way, as well as the 75 ton heavy Ryoken II. Probably more, but I'll just mention those for the moment.
Bah, i must have missed em in the copy and paste.lol I seem to have cut off alot of the Dark Age expansion units, but most of them are obvious weights. |
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Recruit
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In addition you could look up the mech here http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Main_Page. Though this is technically a Battletech website. |
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Lieutenant
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If any mech has official battletech stats, you'll find it at Sarna. It also has a steadily increasing Dark Age section-although not complete it attempts to cover what mechs appeared in the Dark Age onward. A good place to look for tonnages.
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Lieutenant
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There has been a TRO listing for the DA mechs on warrenborn. It simply lists the source of the data (be it a TRO or a sneak peak or a dossier) http://www.warrenborn.com/TRO.html |
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Catalyst Demo Team
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There has been a TRO listing for the DA mechs on warrenborn. It simply lists the source of the data (be it a TRO or a sneak peak or a dossier) http://www.warrenborn.com/TRO.htmlA lot of the links on that page don't work anymore since they go to the old WizKids website.  |
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Lieutenant
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I know. I haven't really had the time to post the updated files. Although a lot of them will be in the stuff that Roosterboy recently posted. |
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